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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

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People tried to explain to you that some of us will feel the difference. You keep repeated the princess/pea slogan... You may want to remember that people differ in their sensitivity levels. Take this info and do with it what you want... 

well fine, you got a point. who am i to critique/make fun of your superstitions, i am sorry
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Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

What ever the sponge hardness is for the Vega Japan.....it's starting to sound like the new Adidas "Top Secret/Tenzone Ultra"  rubber?    

Anyone try both yet?  


Yes, I have both. And they are like apples to....gorillas. They are absolutely nothing alike. As far as I know, most of the testers for the the TenZone Ultra agree that it is a step down from newer ESN rubbers in terms of everything (speed, spin, bounciness, grip, spin sensitivity, etc.). However, its main feature is that of its control and insensitivity to incoming spin. Basically, a few of us compared it to a lightly speed-glued Mark V. It has the control and sweet feel of an unglued classic rubber (Sriver, Mark V, Coppa, etc.) with more speed and spin. Basically, if you took a Mark V and ramped up all of its characteristics by 15% and still kept the control and feeling the same, you'd have Tenzone Ultra (IMO). This is why i am keeping it on my BH.

Put simply, Vega Japan is a very high-end rubber designed to rival the "latest and greatest" tensors/ESN rubbers (Bluefire, Evo, etc.) and it certainly delivers a top-notch performance. For the price of it on tabletennis11, it can't be beat (except by buying 2 Bluefires from Tibi, though I prefer Vega Japan).

As for reviews on Vega Japan, I have only heard little from other members who have posted a few brief comments in this thread, so there is not a lot of feedback running around on Vega Jap right now. However, you can read my updated first post for the full review.....

Any more questions, lemme know Smile

Really good posts. I can visualise very closely what this rubber is about.Thumbs Up
Only thing, how come it's so much cheaper than the other Xiom rubbers?
I get the feeling that Xiom is not that great at pricing their stuff.

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Really good posts. I can visualise very closely what this rubber is about.Thumbs Up
Only thing, how come it's so much cheaper than the other Xiom rubbers?
I get the feeling that Xiom is not that great at pricing their stuff.

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There was another member who posted his response in this thread about an interview he had with a Xiom executive, stating that the guy basically said that Vega Japan was designed to be one of their top-shelf rubbers, but priced low to make it more available to average consumer. I'll find the quote and post it...


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Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

Vega Japan Black Max  Uncut - 66g

I weighed 6 sheets and came up with 66.41 +- .5 g.

BTW, I met with the Xiom U.S. manager and someone from product development on Saturday.  He said Omega V is coming and it is very good.

He also said about Vega Japan, that it was part of their higher end, high performance product line but they decided to release it as part of the Vega series so they could sell it at a lower price point and target a different part of the market. This would be why it seems so different from the other Vegas.

I think if I was going to sum up Vega Japan in one line it would be this, "High performance that's easy to use." 



Here it is! Many thanks to alphapong for getting the "scoop" on Vega Japan and Xiom's upcoming releases. I think we can expect them to be one of the best rivals in TT products for other companies (though i think they already are Wink)


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Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

Vega Japan Black Max  Uncut - 66g

I weighed 6 sheets and came up with 66.41 +- .5 g.

BTW, I met with the Xiom U.S. manager and someone from product development on Saturday.  He said Omega V is coming and it is very good.

He also said about Vega Japan, that it was part of their higher end, high performance product line but they decided to release it as part of the Vega series so they could sell it at a lower price point and target a different part of the market. This would be why it seems so different from the other Vegas.

I think if I was going to sum up Vega Japan in one line it would be this, "High performance that's easy to use." 

Here it is! Many thanks to alphapong for getting the "scoop" on Vega Japan and Xiom's upcoming releases. I think we can expect them to be one of the best rivals in TT products for other companies (though i think they already are Wink)


Thanks for the feedback. I'm very tempted to pull the paypal trigger.

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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

Vega Japan Black Max  Uncut - 66g

I weighed 6 sheets and came up with 66.41 +- .5 g.

BTW, I met with the Xiom U.S. manager and someone from product development on Saturday.  He said Omega V is coming and it is very good.

He also said about Vega Japan, that it was part of their higher end, high performance product line but they decided to release it as part of the Vega series so they could sell it at a lower price point and target a different part of the market. This would be why it seems so different from the other Vegas.

I think if I was going to sum up Vega Japan in one line it would be this, "High performance that's easy to use." 

Here it is! Many thanks to alphapong for getting the "scoop" on Vega Japan and Xiom's upcoming releases. I think we can expect them to be one of the best rivals in TT products for other companies (though i think they already are Wink)


Thanks for the feedback. I'm very tempted to pull the paypal trigger.



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I wonder how the Vega Japan compares to the Omega 4 Asia ?
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Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

I wonder how the Vega Japan compares to the Omega 4 Asia ?


I can't say too much on that, as i have only briefly hit with Omega IV Pro & Asia for a couple of minutes each on someone else's blade. However, I can easily say that Vega Japan has a softer feel due to its topsheet, and I'm pretty sure it's bouncier too...


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I got a response from Xiom on my sponge hardness question the other day. Since it did not match the notes I took, and some of it did not seem to make sense, I waited to confirm with him that the table I received was correct. Anyway he did that today, so here is what I got:

VEGA ELITE 40
VEGA EUROPE 42.5
VEGA JAPAN 45
VEGA PRO 47.5
VEGA ASIA 47.5
VEGA CHINA VM 54

OMEGA IV ELITE 40
OMEGA IV EUROPE 42.5
OMEGA IV PRO 47.5
OMEGA IV ASIA 47.5

SIGMA I EUROPE 47.5
SIGMA I PRO 47.5
SIGMA II EUROPE 45  
SIGMA II PRO 47.5  

I was puzzled about the Sigma hardness since Europe feels much softer. He said the sponge is the same, but the top sheet is harder on the Pro.

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Thanks for that info alphapong...very useful.    

I am really wondering about this rubber,  can anyone compare it to Rakza 7 regular.  Besides weight, what are the differences?   Thanks for any help. 
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Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Thanks for that info alphapong...very useful.    

I am really wondering about this rubber,  can anyone compare it to Rakza 7 regular.  Besides weight, what are the differences?   Thanks for any help. 


I have owned Rakza 7 soft, but not the regular. I can say that Vega Japan is harder than R7S, spinnier, lower throw, faster, and better feel imo.


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Raksa 7 regular is harder and more unforgiving than Vega Japan.
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Hi All,

I received my Xiom Vega Japan rubber 2 weeks ago and glued it as forehand  to a Ross leidy Sotto Voce together with Rakza 7 soft(BH).

This is my view of the Vega japan used as forehand, and I must say that I was surprised by its speed and control.

Doing  forehand backspin short serves is very strong and I must say that my opponents who rarely make receiving mistakes really have a hard time hitting the ball.

Top spins on normal rallies and receiving serves is so much easier for me.Looping and counter looping is a dream combined to a relatively hard blade as the Sotto Voce.Blocking is very fast and can easily be placed to get a winning point.

I can see a marked difference in speed (it is much faster) compared to my other Xiom rubbers (Vega Europe, Omega 4 Elite).

I will definitely try it on my Yinhe T11+ and Stiga Intensity blades as forehand.



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Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

I got a response from Xiom on my sponge hardness question the other day. Since it did not match the notes I took, and some of it did not seem to make sense, I waited to confirm with him that the table I received was correct. Anyway he did that today, so here is what I got:

VEGA ELITE 40
VEGA EUROPE 42.5
VEGA JAPAN 45
VEGA PRO 47.5
VEGA ASIA 47.5
VEGA CHINA VM 54



I'm using Vega Europe for forehand with backhand Vega Elite. While playing, I felt my backhand is better with Europe - lower arc I believe. Thanks for the info. Will change forehand rubber to Pro or Japan. Won't use Sigma or Omega for now, I don't think my skills are sufficient enough for that rubbers. Tongue

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Wanted to try Vega Japan, arrived today, just stuck them on the Peterpan.

Red 2.0mm - Uncut weight 64g - Cut weight 47g
Black 2.0mm - Uncut weight 66g - Cut weight 48g

Oh, and it has the Bluefire/Rasant tuner smell, but not as potent. In fact, it smells very much like Sigma II.

Edited by AndySmith - 05/03/2013 at 11:22am
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ENJOY! Vega Japan is still my official BH rubber :)

I'd like to hear your opinions on it, and if you found anything about it different from my review.

Also, everyone stay tuned for a review of the new Victas V>01 rubber, as I am currently testing that.




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Ok   after someone has this rubber for 4 to 6 months and the tuning wears off...let us know what it is like.  lol
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Today i played the vega japan and the tau on a boll spirit

the vega japan is very good rubber, fast and with very good spin

the sponge ist quite hard, porous like evolution el-p

the topsheet ist thin and very elastic

in my opinon the rubber is good for both side,vh and bh

I played in the passt all old vega rubbers and i find the japan version totaly different, it is more like evo fx-p/el-p
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Yesterday, I put 1 more layer of Falco Tempo Booster tuning on sponge, 4 - 5 layers of Haifu VOC Free Glue and stick XIOM Vega Japan 2.0 on my Stiga Rosewood NCT V blade. I'm very surprised. Speed and spin was excellent, amazing control, a lot of balls came to the table without a lot of hassle. It’s surely better than Vega Europe, it’s easier to play than Vega Pro. Today, on my 2nd blade, I will stick Omega IV Europe and than make comparisation.

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vega europe. felt kinda poor.. waaay too mushy
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Anyone compare vega Japan and acuda s1?
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I'm interested in a comparison between Vega Japan and Sigma II Europe. They both have the same sponge hardness, but I wonder which would be better for a modern defensive game with occasional chopping on the forehand side. Has anyone played with both?
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Originally posted by ckhirnigs113 ckhirnigs113 wrote:

I'm interested in a comparison between Vega Japan and Sigma II Europe.


I've used both. Vega Japan is a touch slower than Sigma II, has a more neutral feel and throw. I'd say VJ would be a better fit with an allround / defensive game (although I wouldn't call it slow), while S-II is more of an all-out looping rubber. Both spin the ball really well, but I think it's easier to keep the ball low and play a wider variety of shots with VJ. Plus, VJ gets better spin with softer shots, while I found that S-II needs more effort (but has a better payoff on bigger shots).
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AndySmith, I really appreciate the info. I was leaning towards Vega Japan mainly for the description of its soft topsheet. I play with Palio CJ8000 right now, and it also has a very soft topsheet. I think this helps with touch and defensive shots like chopping. I look forwards to trying out Vega Japan. 

Did you use 2.0mm or max when you tried Vega Japan?
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Mine are 2.0mm. Faster than CJ8, but not to the point of madness.
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Originally posted by decoi decoi wrote:

vega europe. felt kinda poor.. waaay too mushy



its nice to hear an 'elite' player say 'europe' is mushy .. ;)
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Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

Originally posted by decoi decoi wrote:

vega europe. felt kinda poor.. waaay too mushy



its nice to hear an 'elite' player say 'europe' is mushy .. ;)

i wouldnt consider myself elite by any means :D


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Originally posted by decoi decoi wrote:

vega europe. felt kinda poor.. waaay too mushy
 
I found it also to be utterly out of place on Stiga Allround, but it was extremely fast on Xiom Offensive S, AVX C555, or TBS. I don't believe Vega Japan will perfectly fit any blade...
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Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

I got a response from Xiom on my sponge hardness question the other day. Since it did not match the notes I took, and some of it did not seem to make sense, I waited to confirm with him that the table I received was correct. Anyway he did that today, so here is what I got:

VEGA ELITE 40
VEGA EUROPE 42.5
VEGA JAPAN 45
VEGA PRO 47.5
VEGA ASIA 47.5
VEGA CHINA VM 54

OMEGA IV ELITE 40
OMEGA IV EUROPE 42.5
OMEGA IV PRO 47.5
OMEGA IV ASIA 47.5

SIGMA I EUROPE 47.5
SIGMA I PRO 47.5
SIGMA II EUROPE 45  
SIGMA II PRO 47.5  

I was puzzled about the Sigma hardness since Europe feels much softer. He said the sponge is the same, but the top sheet is harder on the Pro.



this actually makes a lot of sense. When tenergy came out, everyone and their mom was saying T64 was softer sponge, and T25 was harder sponge. Nobody would accept or believe that they all had the SAME sponge, and that the difference in feeling was just from the topsheet. But that in fact is the truth. Still today some people are saying that they have softer/harder sponges in comparison. 
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Originally posted by stanton65 stanton65 wrote:

Hi All,

I received my Xiom Vega Japan rubber 2 weeks ago and glued it as forehand  to a Ross leidy Sotto Voce together with Rakza 7 soft(BH).

This is my view of the Vega japan used as forehand, and I must say that I was surprised by its speed and control.

Doing  forehand backspin short serves is very strong and I must say that my opponents who rarely make receiving mistakes really have a hard time hitting the ball.

Top spins on normal rallies and receiving serves is so much easier for me.Looping and counter looping is a dream combined to a relatively hard blade as the Sotto Voce.Blocking is very fast and can easily be placed to get a winning point.

I can see a marked difference in speed (it is much faster) compared to my other Xiom rubbers (Vega Europe, Omega 4 Elite).

I will definitely try it on my Yinhe T11+ and Stiga Intensity blades as forehand.






did you try vega japan on ynhr t11+?  what do you think about it?
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