2013 China Trials for WTTC & HDVideos/Translations

reflecx wrote: NextLevel wrote: I think the real question is who she is. She is Yang Ying, multi world champion in doubles and team. She is Liu Guoliang and Kong Linghui's contemporary, and is an insider to the sport and the Chinese team.

I searched the websites, did not find the match between hlm vs chen meng.  It was a game in the group game stage, cctv did not televise the game.  I think nobody expected hlm to win, it turned out that she came out first by beating every one in the group.

Edited by skip3119 - 03/13/2013 at 2:58pm

I feel that ITTF's commentators are either lacking in knowledge or lacking in the courage to stick their neck out.     Yang Ying is the opposite.      She obviously knows what she is talking about.    She is insightful in tactical analysis and not afraid of suggesting or predicting tactical maneuvers.      I am very impressed because more often than not, she is correct.

in part it's probably Yang Ying herself was a world champion. she has gone through it all

I suddenly find her nicer: if she has gone through the pain herself she definitely has the authority! 

At the beginning of the Part 1 video above, there were some Chinese words on the screen.  Not sure if it was a challenge match between Yang Ying and Erik Lindh, or it was an extra activity in-between challenge matches (for U17 youngsters).  

Edited by skip3119 - 03/14/2013 at 8:51pm

skip3119 wrote: roundrobin wrote:   "4TH edition U17 Juniors Challenge, Match #5" "Center Court Activity" "Erik Lindh Vs. Yang Ying" ===================================   I believe the match between Erik Lindh & Yang Ying was not a challenge match of the event - the event was for young players under 17. The game was to 11 points, that means it was played in 2001 or after (11 points per game was introduced in 2001) Yang Ying was born in 7-13-1977, in 2001 she was 24 years old already. (I googled above information and found out that later.)  ====================================   At first I thought it was a challenge match, then I saw some Chinese words indicating it was some kind of extra activity in-between matches.   I believe it is "in-between matches' activity". (Like football's half time's entertainment activity.)   Then again, what do I know anyway?

It's literally translated as "Center Court Activity" but in this case you are correct, "Center" can also mean "in the middle", so "in-between" is correct based on the context that it was obviously an exhibition.  "Court" is the direct translation of the Chinese character used on screen in this case, but it can also mean "match".  Well, as you can see, Chinese is quite complicated...









Edited by roundrobin - 03/14/2013 at 10:39pm

fatt wrote: The way I see it, Chinese TV commentators hold a lot more power in China than in USA and when they reach their position it means they are given a much higher moral authority allowing them to be far more severe and colder in their comments. The woman looked to me as competent in tt but it strikes me she does not care about the pain and hard work it takes to reach those players' level: she is just plain cold in her analysis and makes points that totally ignores the players as human beings: she talks about them like if they were dynamic objects in a closed system without a thought about their human condition. I do not find her a negative person; those places at the top of the tt pyramid are rare and those holding them know there is a price to pay: their life and every action will be dissected in any way possible to find a flaw. Many people will see it as valuable to keep the pressure on them and improve or maintain their high level. I can see a direct correlation with any major sport: base ball commentators in USA can be so harsh on players as well; look also at all those tabloid newspapers and magazines going havoc on every flaw they can find on those attracting light on them.

DragonSpirit wrote: This woman commentator always talk too much, so annoying! so rude!She think she's the best!

She is the best commentator in the world, based from her playing experience and results, understanding of the game and commentating skills.

Its so much better than boring ones that just say wow, look at that shot, what a beauty, no wonder he/she is the best in the world, this is some top class table tennis, what a backhand shot, what an amazing forehand shot..... duh,,,, I can see it - please can you tell me something I can't see etc

She talks so much in a sense that a non player can understand the game, while she talks enough sense for the Pro players themself to understand why and how the point was won or loss.
Technically speaking, she is the best I have come across.

I as a coach has learnt so much from her commentating that it has helped me pinpoint some strategical mistakes of my players.

Too bad you don't really understand a word she says


Edited by ZApenholder - 03/15/2013 at 1:04am

What I meant is the players at the top of the pyramid are stars and must accept criticism; it's the price tag that comes with stardom so harsh or not she does her job and I thought she was so precise. I never really criticized her; I just was observing her apparent coldness and precised the players can't avoid taking it because their superior condition. I am sorry I reached the wrong way.

ZApenholder wrote: She talks so much in a sense that a non player can understand the game, while she talks enough sense for the Pro players themself to understand why and how the point was won or loss. Technically speaking, she is the best I have come across.

I must admit I thought the exact opposite. As an example, the nonsense she said about the top players having poor form in their strokes compared to lower level players.

LGL had to correct her in this instance and many others. Perhaps she was intentionally saying stupid things to make LGL look good, I don't know.

I obviously don't understand Chinese culture but I still think she was unnecessarily harsh on WH. I wonder if she came across him while she was still playing and he was a youngster coming up through the ranks and didn't like him (e.g. viewed him as cocky).

As for the argument that she paid her dues as a player. I would make a few points:
  --She did not achieve nearly as much in the woman's game (in singles, which is what counts) as what WH has in the men's game. I would cringe at Patty Schnyder calling Roger Federer weak after a 5 set loss to Djokovic and this seems like a similar situation to me.

  --A good player doesn't necessarily make a good commentator. I can think of lots of examples in other sports. E.g. John McEnroe and Jim Courier were both multiple grand slam winners but one of them commentates the socks off the other IMO.

  --Some top players got there partly because of the way they could analyse their game and improve and how they could analyse and counter their opponent's games. Others got there because they could do this instinctively without necessarily being able to explain it very well.

I dislike yang ying too, I think she sometimes exaggerates too much and has her own bias for certain players and against certain players, kinda like the drunken commentator at ITTF except not that friendly LOL... Liu Guoliang, on the other hand has a very deep knowledge of the technical and mental side of table tennis, it's a pity he does not work as a commentator :( . Qin Zhijian is also another one, just listening to him commentate Hao Shuai's match against Fan Zhendong was really enlightening. The players themselves don't really know how to commentate though, it's the coaches who are the best IMO.