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FZD is 15 when won this title. Not bad for the Haramoto kid to win it at 13. 
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Best ever final in a long while.
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Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

He is not from earth. The only obstacle from an early world title is if he can keep his ambition and stay free from injuries in the long run. 

I think he is 13.
Blocking won't get him a world title. I think it'll be a dead-end no matter how good he gets at it (and he is already the best). He will become stronger as he muscles up with the years to come (unless he has a Niwa Koki-type build). So his forehand attack will naturally become a bit stronger. Will it be enough to beat the Chinese at the senior level? Somehow I doubt it.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Looper vs blocker - advantage to the looper.

Who got killed by the blocker's 3rd ball on the Championship point.

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How many are now?
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BTW both Niwa Koki and Matsudaira Kenta were world junior champions.
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

He is not from earth. The only obstacle from an early world title is if he can keep his ambition and stay free from injuries in the long run. 

I think he is 13.
Blocking won't get him a world title. I think it'll be a dead-end no matter how good he gets at it (and he is already the best). He will become stronger as he muscles up with the years to come (unless he has a Niwa Koki-type build). So his forehand attack will naturally become a bit stronger. Will it be enough to beat the Chinese at the senior level? Somehow I doubt it.


I don't think he only blocks. I will call it fast drive instead, he can add spin and speed to the ball and create a lot of pressure for the looper, forcing him to make errors. His blocking/driving game is more aggressive than Kenta Matsudaira. His backhand opener is also very good. His forehand can improve as he gets older. It's hard to say he will beat the Chinese at the senior level but I think he can be a very strong opponent for them, like Timo Boll or Ryu Seung Min in their prime.

But the kid is really annoying. I'm not often pissed off by "choing" but the way he does it before and after every point is annoying. And there is also the stomping before returning serve. They look like signals of weak mental to me, but somehow it works for him.
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

BTW both Niwa Koki and Matsudaira Kenta were world junior champions.


Cho stopped doing the tactic that was hurting slow loop to corner then fast loop.

Japanese do right at earlier days then they fade
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Hopefully Haramoto will not become a loud Niwa koki. The table tennis world is boring enough with one Niwa Koki.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Hopefully Haramoto will not become a loud Niwa koki. The table tennis world is boring enough with one Niwa Koki.
Can you stomach a loud FZD LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
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The arrogant loud as f**k has got some nerve. He didn't do the handshaking with the bronze and silver medalists before stepping onto the podium. He went straight up instead.
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

He is not from earth. The only obstacle from an early world title is if he can keep his ambition and stay free from injuries in the long run. 

I think he is 13.
Blocking won't get him a world title. I think it'll be a dead-end no matter how good he gets at it (and he is already the best). He will become stronger as he muscles up with the years to come (unless he has a Niwa Koki-type build). So his forehand attack will naturally become a bit stronger. Will it be enough to beat the Chinese at the senior level? Somehow I doubt it.

You aren't going to loop past anyone at 12 years old at the world class level as he is not strong enough.  His game will evolve as he gets older to looping and his blocking will be another wall/fall back.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Looper vs blocker - advantage to the looper.

Who got killed by the blocker's 3rd ball on the Championship point.

Then he wasn't a blocker.  He didn't win the match with his blocking.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Looper vs blocker - advantage to the looper.

Who got killed by the blocker's 3rd ball on the Championship point.


Then he wasn't a blocker.  He didn't win the match with his blocking.


Lucky him there was no chopper
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Haramoto must be the youngest ever world junior singles champion at 12 years of age. He will be a even more powerful and complete player when he reaches adulthood.

Watch out china !

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Originally posted by balldance balldance wrote:

They look like signals of weak mental to me, but somehow it works for him.


For now.  Time will tell.  Pretty amazing win though.
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In China, his current style wouldn't be defined as blocking. His so-called blocks are called 快帶(literally quick guide) in Chinese. Considered a neutral stroke(between offense and defense), it's different from blocks in that there is a small forward motion of the arm as opposed to staying static for blocks. There is also a small amount of grazing contact. Nothing new, has been in use since the 60s against loops. Can be done on forehand and backhand.

So technically, his style is 近檯快攻結合弧圏(loosely close to the table topspin fast attack, with an emphasis on fast attack).



Edited by zeio - 12/07/2016 at 1:11pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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ITTF sucks to no end, I want to see Harimoto vs Xu in the quarters...probably the best match of the tournament, and it is nowhere to be found.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Haramoto must be the youngest ever world junior singles champion at 12 years of age.

He's 13 and a half (born June 27, 2003). But yes, the youngest ever.

Also noteworthy:
The Romanian girls' doubles win was only the second non-Asian gold medal in the history of WJTTC (the other being Patrick Baum in boys' singles in 2005).
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

ITTF sucks to no end, I want to see Harimoto vs Xu in the quarters...probably the best match of the tournament, and it is nowhere to be found.

That was round of 16 and on table 5. How do you know it was "the best match of the tournament"? 
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

ITTF sucks to no end, I want to see Harimoto vs Xu in the quarters...probably the best match of the tournament, and it is nowhere to be found.

Come on. That match was on table 5. Streams for table 1 and 2 only.
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My Summary of the WJTTC
Japan provided their best team in years at the Championship. Their women were clearly the strongest as a unit.
China failed to match the Japanese girls. I don't believe China's teams were any weaker than in previous years, as demonstrated by Shi Xunyao's title, and Yang Shuo reaching the semis after not being one of the frontline players in the Teams.
The two boys from Korea were also formidable, they simply repeated their success over China in the Asian Juniors. The strength of Japan Girls and Korea's boys were responsible for China getting only one gold medal.
The Chinese Coaching and Management team ought to pay attention to this result. I think some kind of complacency even arrogance is creeping into the Chinese Juggernaut,due of course to their never ending dominance. I think they should look again at exposing more youngsters at the Under 21 Pro Tours and raise the limits on the number of their players that can play at junior and senior Tours. A page out of Japan and Korea's book should help in that regard.
Nevertheless I don't think much will change in the foreseeable future in the world of table tennis.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

ITTF sucks to no end, I want to see Harimoto vs Xu in the quarters...probably the best match of the tournament, and it is nowhere to be found.


That was round of 16 and on table 5. How do you know it was "the best match of the tournament"? 


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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Haramoto must be the youngest ever world junior singles champion at 12 years of age.


He's 13 and a half (born June 27, 2003). But yes, the youngest ever.

Also noteworthy:
The Romanian girls' doubles win was only the second non-Asian gold medal in the history of WJTTC (the other being Patrick Baum in boys' singles in 2005).


Yes, European players have been dissaponting since
Werner Schlager won the world singles title back
in 2003, Paris.

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7 Gold Medals on offer:

Japan won 3:  Boys team, girls team and boys singles.
Korea won 2:  Boys doubles and mixed doubles.
China won 1:  Girls singles. (Shi Xunyao saved the day, avoided being shut out.)
Romania won 1:  Girls doubles.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

ITTF sucks to no end, I want to see Harimoto vs Xu in the quarters...probably the best match of the tournament, and it is nowhere to be found.

That was round of 16 and on table 5. How do you know it was "the best match of the tournament"? 

I don't for sure, so I want to see....it is deuce in the 7th. Nonetheless it should be available.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

The arrogant loud as f**k has got some nerve. He didn't do the handshaking with the bronze and silver medalists before stepping onto the podium. He went straight up instead.
It is not him; it is the JNT boys team coaches, no handshake with the bronze and silver medalists at the teams ceremony too.
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Shi Xunyao, girls singles gold medalist, was born 7-16-2001. (15 years and 5 months old.)
She was admitted to the female CNT-B (2nd team) in April this year.
(Following reference is in Chinese.)

Update:  Younger than Ito Mima (10-21-2000) and Hirano Miu (4-14-2000).


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I believe those shitty plastic balls might help Harimotos style a bit. The ball drops very fast and its easier to block it.  However I dont think this kid is truly special talent like FZD. FZD has it all. This kid will lack power thats for sure.  I believe he will reach top 20 in the world easily but top 5 ? probably not.

It will be interesting tho to see how his style changes when he matures.
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Originally posted by AgReZz AgReZz wrote:

I believe those shitty plastic balls might help Harimotos style a bit. The ball drops very fast and its easier to block it.  However I dont think this kid is truly special talent like FZD. FZD has it all. This kid will lack power thats for sure.  I believe he will reach top 20 in the world easily but top 5 ? probably not.

It will be interesting tho to see how his style changes when he matures.

Keeping this in a time capsule for 2020 and 2024.
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