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Originally posted by Basquests Basquests wrote:

Love the posts writing off ma long.

Man came back and beat every form player in the world due to his ranking dropping, and kept winning every tournament. 

He loses to harimoto and suddenly its over. 

Full credit to harimoto as i am a fan of his and ML, but writing off ML on his 1st tournament since another injury is premature as he clearly was lower % in any type of point or shot, hence why he struggled in all of his matches, which was noted and pointed out by harimoto after his win.

If ma long stays fit for any sustained period of time, he is the favourite to win any tournament he enters. 


I totally agree...The biggest enemy of Ma Long right it's another injury...


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Wait, what?  Didn't Harimoto retire when so many people on here said he should cause he had no fh and had peaked already?  What is he doing in the Final of MWC?

Guess ML is the one who has to quit now.  Ok, he is the world champion, true, but that was months ago. What has ML done for us lately?


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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Wait, what?  Didn't Harimoto retire when so many people on here said he should cause he had no fh and had peaked already?  What is he doing in the Final of MWC?

Guess ML is the one who has to quit now.  Ok, he is the world champion, true, but that was months ago. What has ML done for us lately?

TH wouldnt have played the final if ML would not be injured. And yes he has no FH
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I think some of the opinions here about ML's performance think the results have more to do with his physical ailment. I wonder if there's more than that. The game also has a mental side and we know Ma Long had to overcome mental walls a few years ago before he started to dominate. Even LGL had made some comments about it. I wonder if his confidence is in trouble these days. The pressure must be enormous as well. He's the captain after all, the expectations on him are very high.

Hopefully he can overcome whatever it is that is impeeding his game. 

Harimoto played quite well, and this being the second time beating ML is quite an accomplishment. Harimotos game against FZD was somewhat close as well, even taking 2 games from him.

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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

I think some of the opinions here about ML's performance think the results have more to do with his physical ailment. I wonder if there's more than that. The game also has a mental side and we know Ma Long had to overcome mental walls a few years ago before he started to dominate. Even LGL had made some comments about it. I wonder if his confidence is in trouble these days. The pressure must be enormous as well. He's the captain after all, the expectations on him are very high.

Hopefully he can overcome whatever it is that is impeeding his game. 

Harimoto played quite well, and this being the second time beating ML is quite an accomplishment. Harimotos game against FZD was somewhat close as well, even taking 2 games from him.

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I m not sure.its a little bit suspicious that ML played that way , maybe is a plot to downplay  yourself so the opponents think yore weak, wasnt  ML playing bad before worlds and chinese media said he was done before the worlds? Or maybe he s keeping himself for the olympics
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

I m not sure.its a little bit suspicious that ML played that way , maybe is a plot to downplay  yourself so the opponents think yore weak, wasnt  ML playing bad before worlds and chinese media said he was done before the worlds? Or maybe he s keeping himself for the olympics 
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CNT may not even select him to play singles in the Olympics - with this kind result of the World Cup.
I agree with an earlier poster in that CNT will select FZD and XX to play singles.
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" I m not sure.its a little bit suspicious that ML played that way , maybe is a plot to downplay  yourself so the opponents think yore weak, wasnt  ML playing bad before worlds and chinese media said he was done before the worlds? Or maybe he s keeping himself for the olympics " - mykonos96

Ma Long played alright, if you asked me.
Except for some placement issues and reactions speed probably due to lack of match and mental conditioning.
But definitely not because he is keeping himself for the olympics.
The fact that he lost to two up and coming youngsters in this competition; so close to the olympics, means that in the eyes of these two ( and any others ) that he can be beaten.
Their coaches will drum into them day and night that they beat him and they will beat him again and they will of course will ready for him.
Whether Ma Long will play singles or at all in the Tokyo Olympics on his conditioning between now and then and while I would like to see XX in the singles, I would not be surprised if Ma Long and FZD are their singles players.
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There is no way they can do that to ML. ZJK went to London and not Ma Long when ML was totally dominating the year before that event. Then ZJK was certainly not better than FZD in 2016 and he went anyway; he had 2 chances, ML will have his second chance as well, assuming what he gave us at the 2019 world cup is the absolute worst of his game, which I believe (momentary lack of speed and too many fh drives and loops he should not miss even 10 years from now). 
Let's not discard so easily a 3 times in a row world champ and current Olympic champion, those people know how to react from a downturn and no doubt ML will fix it, he has the time to  get ready and peak in Tokyo.
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Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

" I m not sure.its a little bit suspicious that ML played that way , maybe is a plot to downplay  yourself so the opponents think yore weak, wasnt  ML playing bad before worlds and chinese media said he was done before the worlds? Or maybe he s keeping himself for the olympics " - mykonos96

Ma Long played alright, if you asked me.
Except for some placement issues and reactions speed probably due to lack of match and mental conditioning.
But definitely not because he is keeping himself for the olympics.
The fact that he lost to two up and coming youngsters in this competition; so close to the olympics, means that in the eyes of these two ( and any others ) that he can be beaten.
Their coaches will drum into them day and night that they beat him and they will beat him again and they will of course will ready for him.
Whether Ma Long will play singles or at all in the Tokyo Olympics on his conditioning between now and then and while I would like to see XX in the singles, I would not be surprised if Ma Long and FZD are their singles players.


ML needed 6 games almost 7 to beat gauzy .that made me think  he wouldnt reach rhe final. Some shots that ML could have looped he just looked and stopped  running and when he played LYJ was like I m not running for that
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

There is no way they can do that to ML. ZJK went to London and not Ma Long when ML was totally dominating the year before that event. Then ZJK was certainly not better than FZD in 2016 and he went anyway; he had 2 chances, ML will have his second chance as well, assuming what he gave us at the 2019 world cup is the absolute worst of his game, which I believe (momentary lack of speed and too many fh drives and loops he should not miss even 10 years from now). 
Let's not discard so easily a 3 times in a row world champ and current Olympic champion, those people know how to react from a downturn and no doubt ML will fix it, he has the time to  get ready and peak in Tokyo.

Exactly. Xu Xin lost to Gauzy in a bad way in the World Championships which pretty much excluded him from the Olympic Singles. It's pretty much Ma Long and Fan Zhendong for the Olympic singles, and Xu Xin for teams and doubles...
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

 

Exactly. Xu Xin lost to Gauzy in a bad way in the World Championships which pretty much excluded him from the Olympic Singles. It's pretty much Ma Long and Fan Zhendong for the Olympic singles, and Xu Xin for teams and doubles...

it's frustrating that this is even a discussion.  All 3 should plays singles.  Damn ITTF.
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people overreact based on one tournament - keep happening
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Ma Long is 31 and now past his peak combined with his injury may force him to reconsider the long process of trying to regain his prior playing level which may or may not be possible.
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Originally posted by lineup32 lineup32 wrote:

Ma Long is 31 and now past his peak combined with his injury may force him to reconsider the long process of trying to regain his prior playing level which may or may not be possible.
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This is the best emotionless and professional remark to describe what probably is the CNT's mindset atm: "We respect the champion but we are not in the fairy business."
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Originally posted by lineup32 lineup32 wrote:

Ma Long is 31 and now past his peak combined with his injury may force him to reconsider the long process of trying to regain his prior playing level which may or may not be possible.

WLQ played yokohama 2009 final at 31 so I think ML can pull  one more tournamenmaybe reach the final.many people thought ML wouldnt win  the 1st round at this year WTTC
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"people overreact based on one tournament - keep happening"

Not true at all.

Ma Long has lost several times as far as I can remember:
Twice to FZD (2019 Japan Open, 2019 Asian Cup), 
Lost to Xu Xin (Korean Open), 
has lost twice to Harimoto already (2018 Japan Open, 2019 Men's World Cup), 
lost to WCQ (2019 Australian Open).
Lost to LYJ in the T2 Diamond.

Ma Long has won 
the 2019 World Championship (vs Mattias Falck), 
2019 Quatar Open (vs LGY), 
2019 China Open (vs LGY).

If theres any other tournament he's won (2019) I don't know about it....


So no, not just "ONE" tournament....
Ma Longs accomplishments are amazing, no one is gonna deny that, but it does look to me like he is not dominating as he used to. 

I mean, for a while he truly seemed unbeatable! That has changed.


FdT




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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

"people overreact based on one tournament - keep happening"

Not true at all.

Ma Long has lost several times as far as I can remember:
Twice to FZD (2019 Japan Open, 2019 Asian Cup), 
Lost to Xu Xin (Korean Open), 
has lost twice to Harimoto already (2018 Japan Open, 2019 Men's World Cup), 
lost to WCQ (2019 Australian Open).
Lost to LYJ in the T2 Diamond.

Ma Long has won 
the 2019 World Championship (vs Mattias Falck), 
2019 Quatar Open (vs LGY), 
2019 China Open (vs LGY).

If theres any other tournament he's won (2019) I don't know about it....


So no, not just "ONE" tournament....
Ma Longs accomplishments are amazing, no one is gonna deny that, but it does look to me like he is not dominating as he used to. 

I mean, for a while he truly seemed unbeatable! That has changed.


FdT


obviously not as dominant as before but no chance to play singles in the Olympics and have to quit?

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where and when did I say he has to quit?!?

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my initial comment was not referring to you in particular - I did not quote you - if you read this thread thoroughly  others said it recently
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I see. Perhaps you can quote the overreactions you mention. I might even agree with you.

On my post I tried to established that Ma Long has a bit of a losing streak compared to the tournaments he's won recently.

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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

FZD and XX for singles, and ML for doubles

SYS and LSW for singles, and DN for doubles.

ML and DN are just too "old" to play singles at the moment. DOn't think it is safe to let them play singles at their current conditions.
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Wait, what?  Didn't Harimoto retire when so many people on here said he should cause he had no fh and had peaked already?  What is he doing in the Final of MWC?

Guess ML is the one who has to quit now.  Ok, he is the world champion, true, but that was months ago. What has ML done for us lately?
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I see. I wouldn't make too much of their opinions.

Only one person can make the decision to retire or not. And that person is Ma Long himself. Perhaps his doctor may have an educated opinion about it as well. Certainly a more educated opinion than anyone posting here.

I think there's still some game left in him. We'll see.

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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

I see. I wouldn't make too much of their opinions.

Only one person can make the decision to retire or not. And that person is Ma Long himself. Perhaps his doctor may have an educated opinion about it as well. Certainly a more educated opinion than anyone posting here.

I think there's still some game left in him. We'll see.

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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Wait, what?  Didn't Harimoto retire when so many people on here said he should cause he had no fh and had peaked already?  What is he doing in the Final of MWC?

Guess ML is the one who has to quit now.  Ok, he is the world champion, true, but that was months ago. What has ML done for us lately?
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Wait, what?  Didn't Harimoto retire when so many people on here said he should cause he had no fh and had peaked already?  What is he doing in the Final of MWC?

Guess ML is the one who has to quit now.  Ok, he is the world champion, true, but that was months ago. What has ML done for us lately?
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Wait, what?  Didn't Harimoto retire when so many people on here said he should cause he had no fh and had peaked already?  What is he doing in the Final of MWC?

Guess ML is the one who has to quit now.  Ok, he is the world champion, true, but that was months ago. What has ML done for us lately?


What harimoto has done in latest worlds and worlds team beside crying  like a girl?


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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Wait, what?  Didn't Harimoto retire when so many people on here said he should cause he had no fh and had peaked already?  What is he doing in the Final of MWC?

Guess ML is the one who has to quit now.  Ok, he is the world champion, true, but that was months ago. What has ML done for us lately?


What harimoto has done in latest worlds and worlds team beside crying  like a girl?
although he kind of deserves it he is still young and vulnerable
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