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along with HT's loss, another big disappointment for Japan is Osaka's exit.  At least they have the Gold in XD.
That was a shocker indeed. I did not see that coming. She put too much pressure on herself with that RG and Wimbledon stance about speaking to journalists after a match. I support her 100% on the issue and I was hoping to see her conquering gold at the OG so the world of money would take a slap in the face; didn't happen.
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

The new blade by Darko Jorgic – DJC – uses the Dyneema® carbon fibre. Consisting of 5 wood plies and 2 layers of Dyneema® carbon fibres, Dynamic JC confers enormous power and penetrating force to your topspin strokes. Since the Dyneema® carbon fibres do not lie directly underneath the top veneer, the touch feeling is not only determined by the Dyneema® fibre. Power, control, flebixility are the main qualities of DJC but also of Darko‘s playing style


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From the videos, he was using a customized Viscaria in the warmup games earlier this month. 
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Anyone else having trouble watching the replay of the mixed on stream.nbcolympics.com? It just dumps me to "coverage has concluded". I can watch all the other ones listed under "replay" just fine.
Looks like they've fixed this issue.  I can watch the replay now.
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The JYS-Gionis match point, and Adam Bobrow's commentary of it, were featured on "Tokyo Gold" (recap show streaming on Peacock). Looks like Adam will get more opportunities.
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My round of 16 observations:

1. Tough luck for Chuang. He lost a long game to Assar and missed out on the QF. 

2. Timo's Olympics jinx continues with his loss to JYS. Timo is 40, will we see him again at Paris for one last shot at the Olympic medal podium? I don't think so.

3. Tough luck for Harimoto too. He had a good shot to get to the SF. He is very young and there are more opportunities to grow.

4. If Lin gets to the semi, he has a good shot at the bronze v/s Dima.
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Adam Bobrow! Not a fan. He’s clueless in this sport and thankfully removed from American English language international table tennis commentary particularly because he felt the need to artificially over vocalise and distract from the actual high pace action and excitement at the table. Table tennis is the main event not some loud constant non stop barrage interruption from someone with little knowledge of the game as not table tennis athlete but more clown or comedian. Perhaps try typical American sports where this is more a thing - having over the top annoying commentary.
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Originally posted by DHS PPK DHS PPK wrote:

Adam Bobrow! Not a fan. He’s clueless in this sport and thankfully removed from American English language international table tennis commentary particularly because he felt the need to artificially over vocalise and distract from the actual high pace action and excitement at the table. Table tennis is the main event not some loud constant non stop barrage interruption from someone with little knowledge of the game as not table tennis athlete but more clown or comedian. Perhaps try typical American sports where this is more a thing - having over the top annoying commentary.


LOL, I think he's OK. Sometimes he goes too far, but overall, he's fun to listen to & watch.

In terms of bad sports commentary, watch this,




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FOR a learned fart like me no narrative accompany is needed. I am an expert at everething.
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by DHS PPK DHS PPK wrote:

Adam Bobrow! Not a fan. He’s clueless in this sport and thankfully removed from American English language international table tennis commentary particularly because he felt the need to artificially over vocalise and distract from the actual high pace action and excitement at the table. Table tennis is the main event not some loud constant non stop barrage interruption from someone with little knowledge of the game as not table tennis athlete but more clown or comedian. Perhaps try typical American sports where this is more a thing - having over the top annoying commentary.


LOL, I think he's OK. Sometimes he goes too far, but overall, he's fun to listen to & watch.

In terms of bad sports commentary, watch this,




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where we can find replay of JYS and GP? I ask for friend. nhk?
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Omar Assar.....some cracking results 4-3 flack and a C Y Chuang win.... 
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Lin Yun-Ju and Ovtcharov should have swapped places in the draw... Ovtcharov has a much better chance against Fan Zhendong than Ma Long, and Lin Yun-ju has a much better chance against Ma Long than Fan Zhendong.....

But that said, JYS vs Fan Zhendong should be a good one to watch with a crazy amount of ultra fast rallies and should be one of the more dangerous matchups for Fan Zhendong... 


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Harimoto choked hard against Darko Jorgic after leading 3-2 and I think 3-0 in the 6th set. His strategy of oppressing Darko's middle area with the BH and then switching it over to the wide angles once he got Darko out of position was excellent (which got him into this lead in the first place). However, somehow he stopped doing that and tried safe spinny opening shots (not his forte anyway), even pushed back long serves/pushes lol... and these were just free juicers for Darko who of course punished all these soft balls LOL. His ability to accelerate with the BH was so bad that he started pivoting with his FH (not his forte either) and got blocked to the deep FH which got him into trouble

Just pretty bad mental strength compared to say Ito....
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It's tempting to criticize Harimoto, but to be honest Darko did the impossible. I was going to say what I think Harimoto is doing wrong and why he is not improving, but I better shut up because Darko did the match of his life... he could have beaten anyone today.


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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

It's tempting to criticize Harimoto, but to be honest Darko did the impossible. I was going to say what I think Harimoto is doing wrong and why he is not improving, but I better shut up because Darko did the match of his life... he could have beaten anyone today.


The coach from PingSunday explained the reason(s). It's like when you use your best weapon to attack your opponent and unfortunately you find out he has similar weapon, but better.


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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Harimoto choked hard against Darko Jorgic after leading 3-2 and I think 3-0 in the 6th set. His strategy of oppressing Darko's middle area with the BH and then switching it over to the wide angles once he got Darko out of position was excellent (which got him into this lead in the first place). However, somehow he stopped doing that and tried safe spinny opening shots (not his forte anyway), even pushed back long serves/pushes lol... and these were just free juicers for Darko who of course punished all these soft balls LOL. His ability to accelerate with the BH was so bad that he started pivoting with his FH (not his forte either) and got blocked to the deep FH which got him into trouble

Just pretty bad mental strength compared to say Ito....

Someone has mentioned that Harimoto would have to play more forehand against Darko to win the match...Smile
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Harimoto choked hard against Darko Jorgic after leading 3-2 and I think 3-0 in the 6th set. His strategy of oppressing Darko's middle area with the BH and then switching it over to the wide angles once he got Darko out of position was excellent (which got him into this lead in the first place). However, somehow he stopped doing that and tried safe spinny opening shots (not his forte anyway), even pushed back long serves/pushes lol... and these were just free juicers for Darko who of course punished all these soft balls LOL. His ability to accelerate with the BH was so bad that he started pivoting with his FH (not his forte either) and got blocked to the deep FH which got him into trouble

Just pretty bad mental strength compared to say Ito....

Someone has mentioned that Harimoto would have to play more forehand against Darko to win the match...Smile


LOL, then the score would be 1:4
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

It's tempting to criticize Harimoto, but to be honest Darko did the impossible. I was going to say what I think Harimoto is doing wrong and why he is not improving, but I better shut up because Darko did the match of his life... he could have beaten anyone today.


The coach from PingSunday explained the reason(s). It's like when you use your best weapon to attack your opponent and unfortunately you find out he has similar weapon, but better.


need to watch the match video first. However, no matter what was the reason for his lost, I hope he can recover from this loss.  TT needs more good players  Cry


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I think Harimoto's forehand is not improving because he is being held back by his stance. He has a blocking stance, if you watch carefully. He's like "sitting down" , almost on his heels. So when he has a ball on the forehand he is caught too low. Also, often there is no weight shifting on the right leg. I think it's the blocking position that's preventing his development. The only way out is to switch to some DHS or 09c DHS rubber on forehand. His ranking will drop to #20 for one year, but at least it will force him to change stance. it's no use to do those hard looping drills with the tenergy: it has too much catapult and is not forcing him to fix his bad habits.


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Find the Tomokazu Harimoto vs Darko Jorgic match. It seems that it was the backhand serve Dead
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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

It's tempting to criticize Harimoto, but to be honest Darko did the impossible. I was going to say what I think Harimoto is doing wrong and why he is not improving, but I better shut up because Darko did the match of his life... he could have beaten anyone today.
What a very nice thing to say! He must be devastated and Darko deserves credit for showing up at the right time. Criticizing while Harimoto's men's singles Olympic corpse is still warm would lack class and they don't lack of it in Italia, that's why they won the Euro LOL.
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Originally posted by DHS PPK DHS PPK wrote:

Adam Bobrow! Not a fan. He’s clueless in this sport and thankfully removed from American English language international table tennis commentary particularly because he felt the need to artificially over vocalise and distract from the actual high pace action and excitement at the table. Table tennis is the main event not some loud constant non stop barrage interruption from someone with little knowledge of the game as not table tennis athlete but more clown or comedian. Perhaps try typical American sports where this is more a thing - having over the top annoying commentary.

Hes the best color commentator with knowledge of the game. All of the other commentators are terribly boring or speak poor english. 
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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

I think Harimoto's forehand is not improving because he is being held back by his stance. He has a blocking stance, if you watch carefully. He's like "sitting down" , almost on his heels. So when he has a ball on the forehand he is caught too low. Also, often there is no weight shifting on the right leg. I think it's the blocking position that's preventing his development. The only way out is to switch to some DHS or 09c DHS rubber on forehand. His ranking will drop to #20 for one year, but at least it will force him to change stance. it's no use to do those hard looping drills with the tenergy: it has too much catapult and is not forcing him to fix his bad habits.

You can't get to win against Ma Long and Fan Zhendong with a FH that has no weight transfer.... He blasted plenty of FHs by them. But Darko plays farther away from the table and if you try overpowering him you end up overhitting and making a ton of unforced errors while he blocks it back to you with a lot of pace. Harimoto's strategy was correct, to use the BH to really jam Darko's middle area (going to the BH or FH will just get loopkilled from that distance) and he got to a commanding position leading 3:2. Had he continued this strategy he would have won. 
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Find the Tomokazu Harimoto vs Darko Jorgic match. It seems that it was the backhand serve Dead

Darko was using the BH serve from the beginning, Harimoto didn't find all that much issues with it....
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

I think Harimoto's forehand is not improving because he is being held back by his stance. He has a blocking stance, if you watch carefully. He's like "sitting down" , almost on his heels. So when he has a ball on the forehand he is caught too low. Also, often there is no weight shifting on the right leg. I think it's the blocking position that's preventing his development. The only way out is to switch to some DHS or 09c DHS rubber on forehand. His ranking will drop to #20 for one year, but at least it will force him to change stance. it's no use to do those hard looping drills with the tenergy: it has too much catapult and is not forcing him to fix his bad habits.

You can't get to win against Ma Long and Fan Zhendong with a FH that has no weight transfer.... He blasted plenty of FHs by them. But Darko plays farther away from the table and if you try overpowering him you end up overhitting and making a ton of unforced errors while he blocks it back to you with a lot of pace. Harimoto's strategy was correct, to use the BH to really jam Darko's middle area (going to the BH or FH will just get loopkilled from that distance) and he got to a commanding position leading 3:2. Had he continued this strategy he would have won. 

Darko was leading almost all 7 games (except the 5th game) before reaching the game point. Harimoto really did not show any edge over Darko in the match.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

I think Harimoto's forehand is not improving because he is being held back by his stance. He has a blocking stance, if you watch carefully. He's like "sitting down" , almost on his heels. So when he has a ball on the forehand he is caught too low. Also, often there is no weight shifting on the right leg. I think it's the blocking position that's preventing his development. The only way out is to switch to some DHS or 09c DHS rubber on forehand. His ranking will drop to #20 for one year, but at least it will force him to change stance. it's no use to do those hard looping drills with the tenergy: it has too much catapult and is not forcing him to fix his bad habits.

You can't get to win against Ma Long and Fan Zhendong with a FH that has no weight transfer.... He blasted plenty of FHs by them. But Darko plays farther away from the table and if you try overpowering him you end up overhitting and making a ton of unforced errors while he blocks it back to you with a lot of pace. Harimoto's strategy was correct, to use the BH to really jam Darko's middle area (going to the BH or FH will just get loopkilled from that distance) and he got to a commanding position leading 3:2. Had he continued this strategy he would have won. 

Darko was leading almost all 7 games (except the 5th game) before reaching the game point. Harimoto really did not show any edge over Darko in the match.

He was leading I think 2:0 and 6:4 in the crucial sixth game before he started showing nerves and lost 7 out of the next 8 points...


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ISHIKAWA is out 1-4 Dead

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ISHIKAWA is out 1-4 Dead

YMY played very well. ISHIKAWA was in a rush..
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