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Rollko
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Posted: 11/22/2023 at 9:32am |
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Hi all,
I'm looking to get back to the basics and revisit my FH/BH topspin technique. I've used a number of blades incl. Timo Boll Spirit, Viscaria, Innerforce ALC or Primorac Carbon, and they proved useful at blocking and punching but not so much at spinnig the ball. I've settled on the Tibhar K3 rubber (both sides) that I'm finding spinnier and more controllable compared to most other rubbers (incl. D09C and D05) due to the soft topsheet that really seems to grab the ball well. Understanding this is a rather hard low-throw rubber, I think I'll need a flexible blade to pair it with. I'm currently testing Donic Waldner Carbon Senso and the feeling and touch is good, but the small head and relative stiffness don't seem to make my open ups very effective. I'm also open to non-carbon blades (as long as they're sufficiently flexible) as carbon (especially ALC) can lack feeling at times for me. Any ideas?
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merlin el mago
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Best blade for spin are all wood with flex, 7 layers more speed than 5 layers. Fibers increase speed and sweep spot but reduces flex that's good for spin, take your poison because always no free lunch.
Edited by merlin el mago - 11/22/2023 at 9:49am |
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TT newbie
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Have you ever tried Timo ZLF? This blade gives the best feedback among all blades I´ve tested so far.
If there´s a blade specially made for looping, Timo ZLF is this blade. I just didn´t stick to it because of its low speed.
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NBSR
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Nittaku Acoustic (wood). Best looping blade I ever used. Flexible and good enough catapult to end rallies. All wood blades are your better bet for looping.
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TT newbie
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Agree, both Acoustic and Violin are excellent for looping. I once used Violin with Tenergy Hard and it was a monster looping blade.
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Rollko
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Something under 100GBP?
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Tinykin
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From Doraemon; "
I read all the comments after my last post.
Let me clarify a bit, I wrote those comments answering the question "what do you mean by stability with the new ball", therefore I described Korbel as being a bit flexy for easier blocking. Now, I don't mean to say Korbel is a bad blade, I have previously used it for years. It is a looping machine, but like I mentioned previously, in the 40+ plastic ball era, it is harder to block with Korbel, compared to a 7-ply allwood blade (like Clipper, for example). Now, does it mean 7-ply allwood blade is better than Korbel? Depends on your style of play. It is easer for me to block using Clipper, but my loops are better with Korbel (given the same stroke). Clipper is a good looping blade as well, but it is easier to loop with Korbel. On the other hand, it is easier to block with Clipper. So there are always two sides (positive and negative) of using a certain blade. It all depends on your style of play. I used to be an all out 2-wings looper, so I liked Korbel in the past. Currently, I am more allround (as I am old now): looping if necessary, but also push, block and smash. So a stiffer blade is better for me now. " |
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Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
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bard romance
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lol
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NextLevel
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This is probably the best response on the thread so far, to be honest, as much as I sympathize with the desire to return to basics. Looping has far less to do with the blade than the rubber and the main reason why those composites currently exist is to create blades that are fast *and* *thin* enough to loop with if one prefers to use slimmer blades for looping, but want the stiffness and speed of faster blades. Pure spin based rationales are pretty much dead in the modern game, spin is mostly a consistency enabler. Moreover, broadly speaking, spin is a function of the *rubber*, touch/feeling/speed is a function of the blade (there is interaction, but I can defend what I wrote fairly easily). If you have already chosen K3 as the rubber, the choice of blade only matters to the degree you can feel the ball and feel that your changes in technique can influence changes in the ball (under the pressure of match conditions ultimately of course).
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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bard romance
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Completely agreed. I'll also add that if you can't spin with an IFALC with the modern ball it's likely you can't spin with anything. But I think we all know at this point that Rollko will get some 5 ply wood blade and be back here in a month talking about how he liked the spin capabilities but can't continue with it because it lacked the speed to threaten opponents and didn't feel solid enough in blocking and punching. Edited by bard romance - 11/23/2023 at 11:34pm |
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stiltt
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"Pure spin based rationales are pretty much dead in the modern game, spin is mostly a consistency enabler. "
I like to read that. Even before the plastic ball, I wanted speed over spin, just enough spin to land on the table and no more. Was I a man ahead of his time?
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Slowhand
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"Pure spin based rationales are pretty much dead in the modern game, spin is mostly a consistency enabler. "
A consistency enabler, but also a key to variation, a way to find otherwise inaccessible angles, to pull the ball wider with hooks and fades, to chop or chop block... I think you can make a strong case that spin easily trumps speed up to an elite amateur level.
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Mazda6GT
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2 best looping blade I tried are Stiga Intensity NCT for all wood and Carbonado 45 for Carbon.
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darkmoor
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you had Innerforce ALC which is a very flexible blade that is not too fast. I would stop looking for new blade advice and turn to coaching tips instead because it's about your technique..
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t64t64t64
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BOLL ZLF is very good blade, give it a shot.
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