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Are the full tournament results posted anywhere?  Thanks.

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

According to the ITTF Mexico is not part of North America.
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Is Mexico considered to be Central America?


ITTF only distinguishes between "North America" and "Latin America"; each has its own continental federation.
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According to the ITTF Mexico is not part of North America.
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Is Mexico considered to be Central America?

They have a continent called "Latin America" at the United nations of ITTF, where they have dumped anyone non white, Mexico is part of that
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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

According to the ITTF Mexico is not part of North America.
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Is Mexico considered to be Central America?

They have a continent called "Latin America" at the United nations of ITTF, where they have dumped anyone non white, Mexico is part of that
 
Latin America has to do with the Latin language. Nothing to do with being white or not.
 
19 countries including Mexico. It is right.
 
 


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Lets put Spain and Portugal in Latin America then :D. If it's about language why is Belize, Haiti, Jamaica etc in Latin America. Greenland might be officially part of the North American land mass but it's culture has nothing to do with it. Mexico is officially part of North America AND practically one and the same place as the Southern US in terms of culture, language and history. Anyway I'm just sticking up for the Mexicans since this is a touchy subject and the ITTF should know better than to exclude them from the North American section
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

The problem is some players don't want their opponent's teammate to be a score flipper.  Although the scorer is not an umpire, sometimes, they get asked about let serves, questionable edge balls, did you see this or that?, etc.  Obviously, you don't want your opponent's teammate assisting in those calls as there is bias involved.


And yet that's exactly how 98% of the league matches played in Europe are umpired. It works because the teams take turns keeping score. Oh, and because club players in Europe generally value sportsmanship and fairness.

Actually, here's Fang Bo himself keeping score for Zhang Chao against a very good Japanese player (five games!) - anyone know him?
 
Absolutely agree with you.  That's the way it should be done in the U.S. but for some reason, it isn't.

You can start by not insulting players who umpire matches by calling them score flippers or scorekeepers. From they sit in that chair, they are umpires as they are now in control of the match. They are performing the main umpire role which is to ensure accuracy and fairness.


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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

Does anybody find it weird all those people were sitting behind the match but no one got off their ass to go and umpire?
Thats what I thought. Do they keep score themselves?
yes me 3 , I would just go and umpire, also a way of getting the best view
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Originally posted by dabookerman dabookerman wrote:

It is crazy how Fang Bo & all are so far beyond a level that we can even comprehend.  Look at how he nonchalantly flicks away one of Peter's serves at 2:00.  It's like every now and then he reminds you of just who you are playing...

I'd love to hear Brian's thoughts on what it was like to face Fang Bo.  
I thought that if Peter improved his backhand (flick corkscrew) by getting closer to the ball he would have put more pressure on.
 From those games (many thanks to the posters) I wouldn't say Fang was a top 10 in the World player, but maybe he wasn't pushed so in the top 120 in the World or so, from what I could see
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Originally posted by Tinykin_2 Tinykin_2 wrote:

Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

The problem is some players don't want their opponent's teammate to be a score flipper.  Although the scorer is not an umpire, sometimes, they get asked about let serves, questionable edge balls, did you see this or that?, etc.  Obviously, you don't want your opponent's teammate assisting in those calls as there is bias involved.


And yet that's exactly how 98% of the league matches played in Europe are umpired. It works because the teams take turns keeping score. Oh, and because club players in Europe generally value sportsmanship and fairness.

Actually, here's Fang Bo himself keeping score for Zhang Chao against a very good Japanese player (five games!) - anyone know him?
 
Absolutely agree with you.  That's the way it should be done in the U.S. but for some reason, it isn't.

You can start by not insulting players who umpire matches by calling them score flippers or scorekeepers. From they sit in that chair, they are umpires as they are now in control of the match. They are performing the main umpire role which is to ensure accuracy and fairness.
 
And you can start by not clenching your butt cheeks too much.  You might hurt yourself.  I've done score flipping duties before without being an umpire so like Frankie says... Relax.
 
For "actual" umpiring, here in the U.S., this is actually something you can request in tournaments.  You get a real live certified umpire and not your opponent's dad.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:



And yet that's exactly how 98% of the league matches played in Europe are umpired. It works because the teams take turns keeping score. Oh, and because club players in Europe generally value sportsmanship and fairness.

Actually, here's Fang Bo himself keeping score for Zhang Chao against a very good Japanese player (five games!) - anyone know him?



I didn't see anyone else answer this, but maybe I missed it.  I believe the Japanese guy is staying with Samson Dubina to help him train.  I remember in October Samson was looking to get someone to stay with him for ~1 month to help him train.  Then I saw him at Highland Indiana tournament, in November, with this guy. 

I don't have confirmation, but the word at the tournament was that this guy is ranked in the top 16 in Japan.  Again, I'm not sure about that, but he 4-0 everyone he played at Highland and played Zhang Chao very tough...so maybe it is true.
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Not to mention on just how frustrating it is when you realize you are outclassed in a match. You give your best stuff, and the guy goes all the way to the back barrier and somehow lobs it back on the table.  And the serves?  A little mental arithmetic will tell you that you HAVE to get 100% of your serves if you are losing nearly every one of their serves.  Then you start trying too hard and hitting them into the net etc.
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Yes! Fang Bo had to try at least a little bit against Wang Zhen. LOL Thanks Bogeyhunter!
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Here's a longer one:
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just out of curiosity, what do fang bo and wang zhen use? if anyone knows.
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Does anyone know the results of Team finals, just who beat whom (no need for scores)?
Just a short summary will be great.
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

just out of curiosity, what do fang bo and wang zhen use? if anyone knows.

fang bo uses stiga clipper with some blue sponged Hurricane 3 on the forehand, not sure about backhand. wang zhen uses a butterfly timo boll zlc with h3 on the forehand, and tenergy 05 on the backhand
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fang bo uses stiga clipper with some blue sponged Hurricane 3 on the forehand, not sure about backhand. wang zhen uses a butterfly timo boll zlc with h3 on the forehand, and tenergy 05 on the backhand.
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What rubber that Wang Wei uses - FH & BH?
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it doesn't really matter what rubber these guys play with...they would be great with whatever they played with.  Just curious...but do you guys ask so you can go out and buy the same rubber and maybe play like they do?  Good luck with that if that's the intent. 
It's kind of funny...but several of the better chinese players I know at our club can tell you what all the top chinese players play with, but I've never given it much thought.  I guess I'm a little curious sometimes but I've found rubber that I like and I know I just have to keep trying to improve my technique rather than go out and buy the same equipment some of the top players use.  IMHO.
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do you guys ask so you can go out and buy the same rubber and maybe play like they do?  Good luck with that if that's the intent. 
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

I guess I'm a little curious sometimes but I've found rubber that I like and I know I just have to keep trying to improve my technique rather than go out and buy the same equipment some of the top players use.  IMHO.


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Originally posted by cmetsbeltran15 cmetsbeltran15 wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

just out of curiosity, what do fang bo and wang zhen use? if anyone knows.

fang bo uses stiga clipper with some blue sponged Hurricane 3 on the forehand, not sure about backhand. wang zhen uses a butterfly timo boll zlc with h3 on the forehand, and tenergy 05 on the backhand


Thanks! I was just thinking about maybe trying 7-ply for a change and was thinking Clipper as an  inexpensive choice.
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it doesn't really matter what rubber these guys play with...they would be great with whatever they played with.  Just curious...but do you guys ask so you can go out and buy the same rubber and maybe play like they do?  Good luck with that if that's the intent. 
It's kind of funny...but several of the better chinese players I know at our club can tell you what all the top chinese players play with, but I've never given it much thought.  I guess I'm a little curious sometimes but I've found rubber that I like and I know I just have to keep trying to improve my technique rather than go out and buy the same equipment some of the top players use.  IMHO.
 
We can all dream can't we. Whats funny is I read alot of advice about watch the pros and imulate a style you like or resemble. So we get the blade and rubbers he uses and the same people who gave the advice roll their eyes and snicker at us (newbys) like were idiots. I'm smart enough to know I'll never play like the pro but I like to think that equiptment puts me one step closer.
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

it doesn't really matter what rubber these guys play with...they would be great with whatever they played with.  Just curious...but do you guys ask so you can go out and buy the same rubber and maybe play like they do?  Good luck with that if that's the intent. 
It's kind of funny...but several of the better chinese players I know at our club can tell you what all the top chinese players play with, but I've never given it much thought.  I guess I'm a little curious sometimes but I've found rubber that I like and I know I just have to keep trying to improve my technique rather than go out and buy the same equipment some of the top players use.  IMHO.
 
We can all dream can't we. Whats funny is I read alot of advice about watch the pros and imulate a style you like or resemble. So we get the blade and rubbers he uses and the same people who gave the advice roll their eyes and snicker at us (newbys) like were idiots. I'm smart enough to know I'll never play like the pro but I like to think that equiptment puts me one step closer.

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We can all dream can't we. Whats funny is I read alot of advice about watch the pros and imulate a style you like or resemble. So we get the blade and rubbers he uses and the same people who gave the advice roll their eyes and snicker at us (newbys) like were idiots. I'm smart enough to know I'll never play like the pro but I like to think that equiptment puts me one step closer.
 
So how come you don't play Bty Timo Boll ALC/ZLC/Z-what-the-heck paired with H3/T05/T64? Instead, according to your signature, you play with equipment that none of the pro's I know uses.
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Originally posted by Addicted-to-TT Addicted-to-TT wrote:

Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

it doesn't really matter what rubber these guys play with...they would be great with whatever they played with.  Just curious...but do you guys ask so you can go out and buy the same rubber and maybe play like they do?  Good luck with that if that's the intent. 
It's kind of funny...but several of the better chinese players I know at our club can tell you what all the top chinese players play with, but I've never given it much thought.  I guess I'm a little curious sometimes but I've found rubber that I like and I know I just have to keep trying to improve my technique rather than go out and buy the same equipment some of the top players use.  IMHO.
 
We can all dream can't we. Whats funny is I read alot of advice about watch the pros and imulate a style you like or resemble. So we get the blade and rubbers he uses and the same people who gave the advice roll their eyes and snicker at us (newbys) like were idiots. I'm smart enough to know I'll never play like the pro but I like to think that equiptment puts me one step closer.

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We can all dream can't we. Whats funny is I read alot of advice about watch the pros and imulate a style you like or resemble. So we get the blade and rubbers he uses and the same people who gave the advice roll their eyes and snicker at us (newbys) like were idiots. I'm smart enough to know I'll never play like the pro but I like to think that equiptment puts me one step closer.


Actually I think it makes a lot of sense to watch the pros and emulate their strokes and footwork; in this way you are "knowing what right looks like". I often advise new players to get on youtube and watch the pingskill videos and even to watch the pros, so they know what the strokes should look like. I highlight to them that if their ping pong journey only encompasses their practice and observation at the rec center, they're sure to pick up all kinds of bad habits by copying things that seem to work for other players (things that only work against other players who would be rated about 1100 and below).

Anyway, much more practical for us to be copying the pros in terms of play rather than equipment.
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

Originally posted by Addicted-to-TT Addicted-to-TT wrote:

[QUOTE=AcudaDave]it doesn't really matter what rubber these guys play with...they would be great with whatever they played with.  Just curious...but do you guys ask so you can go out and buy the same rubber and maybe play like they do?  Good luck with that if that's the intent. 
It's kind of funny...but several of the better chinese players I know at our club can tell you what all the top chinese players play with, but I've never given it much thought.  I guess I'm a little curious sometimes but I've found rubber that I like and I know I just have to keep trying to improve my technique rather than go out and buy the same equipment some of the top players use.  IMHO.
 
We can all dream can't we. Whats funny is I read alot of advice about watch the pros and imulate a style you like or resemble. So we get the blade and rubbers he uses and the same people who gave the advice roll their eyes and snicker at us (newbys) like were idiots.
 
I'm smart enough to know I'll never play like the pro but I like to think that equiptment puts me one step closer.

 My point is I don't think playing with the same equipment does get you any step closer...if anything it will probably make it harder for you to improve because the equipment is too advanced for many beginner - intermediate players.  If you're an advanced player then maybe it might help, but I've seen too many beginners to intermediates playing with Tenergy on a superfast carbon blade to know it's not a good idea to try and play with the same equipment they do.  If I started playing Golf I wouldn't go out and buy the same clubs Tiger Woods or Phil Mickelson plays with...I'd talk to some good players and find out what they recommend for me starting out...or if I've been playing for a while and want to move up to a better set of clubs I'd ask some club pros what they recommend. Playing with the equipment the pros play is too advanced for beginners to intermediate players because the equipment is too fast to control.  When those players started out playing in China...their coaches didn't hand them an advanced racket.  They started out with a racket that was much slower and just learned proper strokes/footwork. 
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

Originally posted by Addicted-to-TT Addicted-to-TT wrote:

[QUOTE=AcudaDave]it doesn't really matter what rubber these guys play with...they would be great with whatever they played with.  Just curious...but do you guys ask so you can go out and buy the same rubber and maybe play like they do?  Good luck with that if that's the intent. 
It's kind of funny...but several of the better chinese players I know at our club can tell you what all the top chinese players play with, but I've never given it much thought.  I guess I'm a little curious sometimes but I've found rubber that I like and I know I just have to keep trying to improve my technique rather than go out and buy the same equipment some of the top players use.  IMHO.
 
We can all dream can't we. Whats funny is I read alot of advice about watch the pros and imulate a style you like or resemble. So we get the blade and rubbers he uses and the same people who gave the advice roll their eyes and snicker at us (newbys) like were idiots.
 
I'm smart enough to know I'll never play like the pro but I like to think that equiptment puts me one step closer.

 My point is I don't think playing with the same equipment does get you any step closer...if anything it will probably make it harder for you to improve because the equipment is too advanced for many beginner - intermediate players.  If you're an advanced player then maybe it might help, but I've seen too many beginners to intermediates playing with Tenergy on a superfast carbon blade to know it's not a good idea to try and play with the same equipment they do.  If I started playing Golf I wouldn't go out and buy the same clubs Tiger Woods or Phil Mickelson plays with...I'd talk to some good players and find out what they recommend for me starting out...or if I've been playing for a while and want to move up to a better set of clubs I'd ask some club pros what they recommend. Playing with the equipment the pros play is too advanced for beginners to intermediate players because the equipment is too fast to control.  When those players started out playing in China...their coaches didn't hand them an advanced racket.  They started out with a racket that was much slower and just learned proper strokes/footwork. 
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most people knows the importance of training. just think about using max thickness. 



I'm not sure it is always recommended to start out with slower equipment.  I remember reading an article about what Cheng YingHua suggested that his students start playing with.  He actually suggested that they start out with an offensive setup because they would eventually have to get used to it...so why not start getting used to it early (This may be because he knows that he is training all out attackers).

I was looking for the article, but couldn't find it.  I thought it was on Butterfly's website because he suggested their equipment.  I believe he had them starting with Iolite and maybe Bryce, or one of the more popular rubbers at the time (might have been before Tenergy).
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