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    Posted: 12/02/2009 at 2:31am
Any new reviews about BTY innerforce zlc/zlf and where to get those new blades in North America?
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please compare innerforce zlc with Mizutani jun.

thanks in advance
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i have that ZLC, only thing is it's mine is named Zhang Yining ZLC :P it was limited, but they are the same under a different name as i was told. It Differs from the mizutani, that It's limba-limba ZLC Kiri. the mizutani ZLC is limba ZLC limba kiri
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I am also interested in innerforce zlc review.
 
I have seen pictures about zlc zhang yinning and innerforce zlc and they do not look the same blade.
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Played a few balls with Innerforce ZLC today with Tenergy 05/64. Can only say goes well with Tenery 05. Not a bad blade at all. As posted on other forums, due to an ayous center is has more of a punch than say, Timo Boll ZLC. Very linear behavior. 
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th harld,

 

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I am also interested

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hope chris we get some more information, lol.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote speedy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/02/2009 at 10:31pm
I don't think the InnerForce series is as good as the Timo Boll series.  That's my opinion.  I tried the InnerForce ULC, and it didn't impress me that much.
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Tommii, A guy whose rating around 2800 told me innerfoce zlc is much harder than Timo Boll zlc and the control is not good as TM as well. what's your feeling on your zlc? Thanks a lot. 
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innerforce zlc is harder than TBBS zlc, and the second bounce is flat enough, and more spinny... ...(if U brush it).
 
some of the TT ej said innerforce zlf is a little bit better than photino.
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what the hell a review is this.
 
Please someone serious doing a review can get in.
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Originally posted by liang1983 liang1983 wrote:

innerforce zlc is harder than TBBS zlc, and the second bounce is flat enough, and more spinny... ...(if U brush it).
 
some of the TT ej said innerforce zlf is a little bit better than photino.


I beg to differ.  Innerforce ZLF is not better than Photino or TB ZLF.  Not powerful enough and less feeling/feedback compared to the other two.

Just my quick observation.
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Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

I am also interested in innerforce zlc review.
 
I have seen pictures about zlc zhang yinning and innerforce zlc and they do not look the same blade.


A guy at OOAK owns an innerforce, and posted pics about it here

http://forums.oneofakindtrading.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=8270

mine is here

img413.imageshack.us/img413/997/pb170210.jpg

looks the same, the layers, handle shape handle color everything. But i have Zhang Yining printed on the blade, and a nice case with it ^^

Originally posted by tonyca tonyca wrote:

Tommii, A guy whose rating around 2800 told me innerfoce zlc is much harder than Timo Boll zlc and the control is not good as TM as well. what's your feeling on your zlc? Thanks a lot. 


i think it's not that hard compared to other carbon blades, however i haven't played with Timo Boll ZLC, so i can't compare. I think it really shines at blocking, nice solid feeling, with pinpoint accuracy!

One thing i don't like about it, is that the blades is sealed where the painting is on the blade, and my T05 tends to fall off when i glue it on for the first time, it only sticks well for the second time. But i think this is nonexistant with the innerforce series, since there aren't any painting ^^
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Hi

That guy from what i have read has also a zhang yinning zlc, not an innerforce zlc.
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th anyway for your feedback about zhang yinning zlc. I also had already read that Oak article.
 
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Originally posted by harldhzx harldhzx wrote:

Played a few balls with Innerforce ZLC today with Tenergy 05/64. Can only say goes well with Tenery 05. Not a bad blade at all. As posted on other forums, due to an ayous center is has more of a punch than say, Timo Boll ZLC. Very linear behavior. 
sounds very interesting
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Innerforce ZLC (shakehand) is better than Timo Boll sprit and Mizutani Jun evne HK 655.
thickness of zlc is 5.7 mm.
zlc blade shoulder is bigger than zlf.
hand feeling for zlc and zlf is a little bit different only, TBBS zlc and zlf is totally different.
1st layer materials of zlc is LIMBA, so U get the hand feeling, not hard like KOTO.
this 7 layers blade is from the softer to harder materials, so you'll feel very comfortable...
When U loop the ball, it's going powerful and spinny.
zlc is also good in defence and mid distance play.
a little bit trouble to Flip and Push near the table(my problems)
Rubber - Hexer (both sides)is very good in speed, but not spinny enough.
               Sriver (both sides) is better for speed and spin.
               not so good for Roxon 450/500 and JO platinium.
              
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by ThaiLe ThaiLe wrote:

Originally posted by liang1983 liang1983 wrote:

innerforce zlc is harder than TBBS zlc, and the second bounce is flat enough, and more spinny... ...(if U brush it).
 
some of the TT ej said innerforce zlf is a little bit better than photino.


I beg to differ.  Innerforce ZLF is not better than Photino or TB ZLF.  Not powerful enough and less feeling/feedback compared to the other two.

Just my quick observation.
haha!! I didn't try ZLF b4, my friends who play ZLF(tenergy 05 2.1mm / Bryce fx 2.1mm) told me is stiff and harder than PhotinoLOL
ZLF got the hand feeling like all ply wood, u even can't feel that ZLF material inside.
second bounce of ball is flat and go horizontally... ...your opponent have to BRUSH enough NOT HIT it.
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any review ??
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This evening I played another few balls with Innerforce ZLC. I have a new sheet of Tenergy 64 on backhand / tenergy 05 on forehand. The last few month I played a Butterfly Biside with Tenergy 64. 

The blade plays different from blades I tried before like T5000,  Biside and Boll ZLC (yes, I own them all :) )

Coming from a rather controlled Biside, I note following differences

- harder feel
- more vibration
- much faster
- less catapult

A few impressions:

The Innerforce ZLC, like the Biside is very direct. It has somewhat medium dwell - the ball does not sink deeply into the wood. It is still well suited to play topspin,  though harder to play compared to  Biside, where I feel more comfortable using power shots.  The shots are faster though, and still feel very controlled, due to very linear behaviour, at least in the lower gears. As with Biside, I get a very low trajectory on topspins after first bounce. 

With Tenergy 05, I have to use a strong forward motion, since the blade is not very 'bouncy'. With the backhand, the most beatiful shot is the slow forward counter aginst topspin. As the blade 'eats' the ball only slightly, you can seemingly lead the ball for a long time with the 64 rubber when countering topspin.

When pushing, the ball popped high quite often, probaly due to overall speed of the blade.

Blade seems to have a medium high throw.

From mid distance, the blade is very stable and powerful. Feels stiffer than , say, Boll ZLC. Boll ZLC has a nicer 'soft' topspin feel, though.

Overall impression is actually very good. It might be a fast, somewhat different version of the Biside. Due to the overall high speed, you need very good basic strokes to get the best of this blade, though.


 


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hey,can some1 tell me what to choose?i'm stuck between amultart,innerforce zlc,mizutani jun and TB zlc,which 1 to choose?i'm a player who likes to do topspins,loops and smashing,and can someone tell me whats the difference between innerforce zlc from the rest?i know that the zlc is the 3rd layer in the blade,but what difference does it makes?
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get the amultart really a nice blade.


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really,i juz came back from my fren place,was using his amultart,it was too thick for me,too heavy too,guess i'll have to go wif mizutani jun,innerforce zlc or TB zlc
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actually I wheighed at my club the amultart and innerforce zlc and they are both the same weight 92 gr.  the thickness is also the same so I am wondering if there is too much of a difference b/w the 2 of them? If i was to guess I'd say is the hardness...
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anyway,if its TB zlc n innerforce zlc,which 1 would u recommend?innerforce zlc n mizutani jun,hwich 1 would u recommend,n TB zlc n mizutani jun,which 1 would u recommend?
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my innerforce zlc is 87 gm.

and between Mizutani, Timo Boll, and innerforce...i would go innerforce...but give more time to adjust.

if you are a control freak prolly timo boll... but best balance of power and control is innerforce.
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Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:


if you are a control freak prolly timo boll... but best balance of power and control is innerforce.


Thanks for posting your impressions of the innerforce ZLC, debraj!

I also think that the the TBS (and the ALC) is for control freaks. Ma Long is the best example, directly followed by Michael Maze... Just looking for control and entirely lacking power... afraid of making mistakes with a setup which they cannot handle... like Boll himself...

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Originally posted by alexcsibi alexcsibi wrote:

actually I wheighed at my club the amultart and innerforce zlc and they are both the same weight 92 gr.  the thickness is also the same so I am wondering if there is too much of a difference b/w the 2 of them? If i was to guess I'd say is the hardness...


7.something mm = 5.something mm ???

The Innerforce ZLC is much thinner!!!

Besides, one is five ply with hinoki outer veneers, the other is seven ply with limba outer veneers.
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thnx a lot,now i know i wthis things,i'd rather go for innerforce zlc
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