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Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

"The female TT players will play harder once they dress up nicely and professional." -Wealthweb

"The women should not dress like men because they are not men." -Heimdallalso

What is this? The 1920s?

No offense, but most of the replies here reek of covert sexism. I feel like I should say something here simply because this forum is male dominated. Skirts have no athletic advantage over shorts. You all only want female players to wear skirts because you're used to women wearing skirts and that you think they look 'prettier' and more 'feminine'.


Agreed with what you have said. Thank you for your true and accurate observation.

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Originally posted by The Shakehander The Shakehander wrote:

they will still have shorts under, not g-strings :)


If you vote me president of the ITTF I will make it a rule.

Table tennis will allways be 90% a male sport so you may as well take your 10% females and get them to help double the amount of male players. Sure that's sexist but that's the reality of humans and the world and life itself. Girls are built to attract males and males are built to be attracted to females. Go with it :)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote qynthnghm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/29/2009 at 4:22am
Thank goodness you're not the ITTF President then, and you sure wouldn't win my vote with your comment.

Simply having female players wear skirts isn't going to double the amount of male players; I don't follow your logic. I don't play table tennis because of the women. And even if it were to happen, you would be effectively minimalizing the already minority population of female table tennis players.

The rest of your comment is depressing, and to be honest, a bit ignorant. It only goes to show that sexism will always prevail with your kind of thinking. I apologize if I don't "go with it."
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That's ok I used to think with polictical correctness in my mind also until I realised that was wrong :).

I don't play table tennis because of the women either but that's why it will never be a popular sport. Most sports are very social places. I'm playing Tennis at the moment and there's alot of flirting around the tennis club, even a few g strings hanging out the top of shorts and yep alot more people playing than table tennis and 5 times as many females. They like a bit of show off. I used to play badminton and that was the same deal.

I make no applogies for anyone that hasn't accept there own humanity (yet) :), this is how life is

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Originally posted by nicefrog nicefrog wrote:

That's ok I used to think with polictical correctness in my mind also until I realised that was wrong :).

I don't play table tennis because of the women either but that's why it will never be a popular sport. Most sports are very social places. I'm playing Tennis at the moment and there's alot of flirting around the tennis club, even a few g strings hanging out the top of shorts and yep alot more people playing than table tennis and 5 times as many females. They like a bit of show off. I used to play badminton and that was the same deal.

I make no applogies for anyone that hasn't accept there own humanity (yet) :), this is how life is


If the popularity of a sport judged the value of the sport, then I would agree with you, but you see, that's not exactly the case. Of course we know the saying "sex sells", but what if you don't sell to those that only want sex? There are still more than enough of us around that don't care either way. You wouldn't give up table tennis if women didn't flash their panties at you, would you?
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Nicefrog,

Please don't patronize me. This isn't a matter of being PC.

There are many other sports that do not need to emphasize the femininity of women in order to gain popularity. In fact, I wouldn't care for table tennis to become popular through such means because it's simply shallow and has nothing to do with the actual sport.

It's interesting that you think I have not, to some measure, reached your level of "humanity" and come to terms with "how life is" because I don't understand the concept of sexual attraction. When in fact this was not the point I have been arguing at all. The issue is pretty moot now, and it's 7AM.
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Originally posted by Cyrilix Cyrilix wrote:

Originally posted by nicefrog nicefrog wrote:

That's ok I used to think with polictical correctness in my mind also until I realised that was wrong :).

I don't play table tennis because of the women either but that's why it will never be a popular sport. Most sports are very social places. I'm playing Tennis at the moment and there's alot of flirting around the tennis club, even a few g strings hanging out the top of shorts and yep alot more people playing than table tennis and 5 times as many females. They like a bit of show off. I used to play badminton and that was the same deal.

I make no applogies for anyone that hasn't accept there own humanity (yet) :), this is how life is


If the popularity of a sport judged the value of the sport, then I would agree with you, but you see, that's not exactly the case. Of course we know the saying "sex sells", but what if you don't sell to those that only want sex? There are still more than enough of us around that don't care either way. You wouldn't give up table tennis if women didn't flash their panties at you, would you?


No I wouldn't but all these things enchance the time you have playing the sport. Why take a picture of a beautiful waterfall by itself when you can stick a beautiful nude in it. Isn't that a better picture, of course it is. Is a sport a better overall experience to watch with girls in skirts, of course. So if it's a better experience like that, then that's how it should be. it doesn't have to be one sided, I'm sure they can think of some clothing that shows a bit more body on the males also, that might attract more women to the sport. If you ask most women why they don't go to table tennis, they will tell you because table tennis players are a bunch of nerds and or freaks :) (my wife says this is why she doesn't play)

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Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

Nicefrog,

Please don't patronize me. This isn't a matter of being PC.

There are many other sports that do not need to emphasize the femininity of women in order to gain popularity. In fact, I wouldn't care for table tennis to become popular through such means because it's simply shallow and has nothing to do with the actual sport.

It's interesting that you think I have not, to some measure, reached your level of "humanity" and come to terms with "how life is" because I don't understand the concept of sexual attraction. When in fact this was not the point I have been arguing at all. The issue is pretty moot now, and it's 7AM.


The only sport I can think of that is popular without a large amount of sexual attraction is Cricket even there, female cricket players started the sport in skirts in order to increase the profile of the game. Since then they have stoped wearing the skirts but at the time it worked.

The codes of football, at least Soccer and Australian rules are followed by thousands of obsessed teenage girls, most of the crowd are female

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haha!! question like "egg n chicken"... ...
China already start promo dresses to players for the last 2-3 years
most of the players take it easy... ...
will get more attention from the all (male n female)... ...
can't increase more female to play TT, but mayb some cute/pretty girl will join just bcoz wearing dressesSmile
Badminton also like that... ...attract more audience only... ...or mayb sponsors
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Well the dresses are officially out.
 
The fact that they are wearing more feminine outfit is not lost to the players.
 
1. The players seem more aware of their appearance.    Have you seen Cao Zhen looking better in a match?
2. It has been reported that in order to look their best, some players went on a bit of a diet before the games.
 
 
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Originally posted by AJay AJay wrote:

Well the dresses are officially out.

The fact that they are wearing more feminine outfit is not lost to the players.


1.�The players�seem�more aware�of their appearance.    Have you seen Cao Zhen looking better in a match?

2.�It has been reported that in order to look their best, some players�went on a bit of a diet before the games.







Good points.

There is nothing wrong for the female TT players to dress nice outfits for them to look good or pretty. If this is what they want and what ITTF permits; then, so be it. Nice dress will enhance their self-esteem and confidence. I haven't met any girl who does not want to look attractive while they are playing in front of a large group of audiences.

As long as the female TT players do not get carried away and perceive the TT function as a fashion show in lieu of a TT tournament, they should cooperate with their sponsors that pay them big bucks in promoting the TT and the company products within the guidelines of ITTF.
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Originally posted by wealthweb wealthweb wrote:

Originally posted by AJay AJay wrote:

Well the dresses are officially out.
 

The fact that they are wearing more feminine outfit is not lost to the players.

 

1. The players seem more aware of their appearance.    Have you seen Cao Zhen looking better in a match?

2. It has been reported that in order to look their best, some players went on a bit of a diet before the games.

 


 




Good points.

There is nothing wrong for the female TT players to dress nice outfits for them to look good or pretty. If this is what they want and what ITTF permits; then, so be it. Nice dress will enhance their self-esteem and confidence. I haven't met any girl who does not want to look attractive while they are playing in front of a large group of audiences.

As long as the female TT players do not get carried away and perceive the TT function as a fashion show in lieu of a TT tournament, they should cooperate with their sponsors that pay them big bucks in promoting the TT and the company products within the guidelines of ITTF.

Please no promoting company products,
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Yao yan looks good in the dress. Cao zhen not really.
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Talking about promoting company products, what happened to all the brand name patches they used to wear on their shirts?
 
This is a problem, isn't it?        
 
There must be commercial contracts for them to wear those patches, but I can image if they stick the same old ones on, it would destroy the look of these dresses.
 
Perhaps they are working on new patches.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nhuang Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/03/2009 at 1:46pm
Professional womens tennis features a lot of sponsorship.  The new patches will probably be smaller and attached at the shoulder or sleeve area.

Here's a random example I found.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/4706/photos;_ylt=AhjW1RGE9sbMyJefapGdPDwxv7YF#photoViewer=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2Cgetty%3A20050301%3Aten%2Cphoto%2Ce3d5eb1b37e025c42db6a637b668bf3e-getty-tennis-jpn-itf%3A1

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Anybody knows where you can order women table tennis dresses such as Chinese team played?
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Originally posted by dmras dmras wrote:

Anybody knows where you can order women table tennis dresses such as Chinese team played?


Can you order them? If you can, they must be fake. I don't see why they would sell National team uniforms to random people.
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Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

It looks kinda weird but its a step in the right direction.


classic.

and old time tt was played in slacks and dresses.




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BTW here is the other outfit they wore at the East Asian Games.
 
 
 
These are made by Li Ning.    You can buy some of the other Chinese team shirts made by Li Ning, so it cannot be ruled out that you may be able to buy these at some point in the future.   
 
It seems that the yellow/blue outfit was designed to match the theme of the East Asian Games, so they would be a specialty item.
 
I now think these more feminine outfits are only a kind of experiment.    It is not certain that the Chinese ladies will continue to wear dressess, but presumably they will show up more.
 
Some other news about these dresses.
* The new outfit became a media focus at the East Asian Games.     Good publicity for TT.
* Yao Yan became a media darling, rivaling the Japanese star Ai Fukuhara, who said she did not like the new look.       As you can see from these pictures, she was a great model for the dresses.
* Yao Yan enjoyed great fan support.     Lots of cheering for her in the final against Wen Jia.     In such a close match, who knows if it wasn't worth a point or two.
* Yao Yan immediately received a gift from her 'fans' after winning.   
 
 
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