Donic Bluefire M2 smell

Wow, Donic works with Dandoy's booster people to develop this M2 rubber?

hmmm something smells fishy~~

its kinda over simplification. 

I don't know about Dandoy booster, however the smell on Bluefire is exactly like Tibhar Clean Tuning Extra. So it's obvious that this is a tuner smell. There were one or two glue producers when glue was legal and I guess same applies to boosters/tuners. 

debraj wrote: its kinda over simplification.  - It could be that there is some aromatic additive in rubber manufacturing process which is also used in boosters. - It could be donic and dandoy has same white label source for buying the booster as dandoy. like rubbers. - it could be that dandoy gets the booster from donic. isn't it?

All I said is that they smell the same, but that said, the human nose is a pretty sensitive analytical device.  I think it is a reasonable conclusion that some of the molecules in the booster are used by Donic (well, actually ESN) for the same purpose in their sponge, and so I think your alternative 1 is unlikely (but not impossible).  Either of your alternatives 2 and 3 would be consistent with the observation.  It is interesting that the Tibhar booster has the same smell, but then again not surprising because it is obvious that Dandoy would not be manufacturing anything themselves (any more than Paddle Palace).  So my guess is that there is a company in Europe that makes and sells this booster, and ESN buys it from then and adds it to the Bluefire sponge, and probably before long, in other rubbers as well.


Edited by Baal - 09/27/2012 at 10:07am

Baal wrote: debraj wrote: its kinda over simplification.  - It could be that there is some aromatic additive in rubber manufacturing process which is also used in boosters. - It could be donic and dandoy has same white label source for buying the booster as dandoy. like rubbers. - it could be that dandoy gets the booster from donic. isn't it? All I said is that they smell the same, but that said, the human nose is a pretty sensitive analytical device.  I think it is a reasonable conclusion that some of the molecules in the booster are used by Donic (well, actually ESN) for the same purpose in their sponge, and so I think your alternative 1 is unlikely (but not impossible).  Either of your alternatives 2 and 3 would be consistent with the observation.  It is interesting that the Tibhar booster has the same smell, but then again not surprising because it is obvious that Dandoy would not be manufacturing anything themselves (any more than Paddle Palace).  So my guess is that there is a company in Europe that makes and sells this booster, and ESN buys it from then and adds it to the Bluefire sponge, and probably before long, in other rubbers as well.

Hans Regenkurt wrote: ..... We should not overmistify the different names when it comes to ESN tensors. Use the brand you can get hold of cheaper it will not make much of a difference in your game.

Baal wrote: Also, when it gets old, just reboost with Dandoy or Tibhar.  Re-tune it back to perfection!

ttplayer92 wrote: but thats assuming you know exactly how the factory used the tuner. you know as well as me that they will not release that information

Yes, I know/agree. I was more interested in the principle rather than the practical details. ;)

I'm just picking on the vague wording of the rule.

Hypothetically, then, let's pretend my brother-in-law worked on the ESN assembly line and knew precisely the amounts of tuner involved. Further, let's pretend I had a rigorous and reliable way to measure the dissipation of the tuner and subsequently the remaining amount in my sponge. This way, when I retuned with the exact same tuner on a factory tuned sponge I could add the precise amount that kept the rubber within factory specifications. In this unrealistic and impossible case, would my reapplication of a tuner to restore a factory tuned rubber to nearly the identical state in which I purchased it be considered "cheating"?

Exactly! 

Baal wrote: Also, when it gets old, just reboost with Dandoy or Tibhar.  Re-tune it back to perfection!

lol nice!

Baal wrote: Anton Chigurh wrote: Baal wrote: Also, when it gets old, just reboost with Dandoy or Tibhar.  Re-tune it back to perfection!   This is my plan.  I don't compete in tournaments, but... Hypothetically, can tuning really be called "cheating" if you're simply treating a rubber the same way it was treated in the factory? Tuning a rubber that was not tuned at the factory is one thing, but restoring the chemical tuner that has dissipated from a factory-tuned rubber seems like another thing altogether. I believe the rule says something about changing the nature of sponge, or top sheet, or whatever. If (again, hypothetically) you were applying the same chemical in the same amounts to the rubber, you cannot be accused of changing the properties of the rubber if that's how it came to you from the factory, right? I dunno... seems like it wouldn't be "changing" the properties of the rubber but rather "restoring" the properties of the rubber. The rule says nothing about restoration, if I remember correctly... One could almost argue that the way the rule is worded, you would be cheating not to tune it back.

I have a M3 for three weeks now and i prefer its behavior now. It's lost springness but the spin is even higher and its speed and punch is still there, and it´s more linear, too. Veeeeeeeeery nice rubber though