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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

I was just wondering.. If someone is really such a good player or coach, they would not want to stay anonymous.. A good coach would have his name and credentials in his signature to attract potential students. You did neither.  I understand, as also my coach, that my technique is far from perfect and likely will never be as it makes no sense to re-learn a completly new technique at that age. Getting to a 2300 rating with no coaching at all shows that I did something right. There is a difference between correct style and effectiveness. I know players who play a perfectly looking forehand and backhand, yet I beat them 3:0 every time. I wanted to add to my game and build on what I have and not trying to re-learn the game in the theoretically correct way. Most players who learn TT the correct way never get to the rating that I have already achieved. I'm not looking for a perfect style but for being effective and successful. I don't care if I win ugly or beautiful. It's about winning..


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i never considered myself anonymous...it's kind of a laughable concept...

you make a good case for what you do and why you do it....so keep on keeping on....

you putting up so much resistence to the simple suggestion of tightening up an out of control follow through demonstrates just what kind of a student you must be.

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Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

you were around 1800 level then...what's your rating now?  Curious...




I don't even now if im in the system...i think if you don't play in a sanctioned event for a yr or something then you're off the radar....im guessing...im sure there is a very specific policy somewhere...

whatever level i was at im 3-4 times better than i was then....

guess that puts me around 5500....but i willing to round down to 5000 lest anyone think im being self aggrandizing......wouldn't want that.Smile

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Haha this was easy to find and should be pretty informative of your actual level...Smile 
...not far from "5500" if you are from planet Zalkon:

Serial Name Prov Sex Rating Period Last Played Temp
 1   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1296    219   2/28/2008    
 2   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1296    219   2/28/2008    
 3   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1296    219   2/28/2008    
 4   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 5   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 6   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 7   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 8   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 9   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 10   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 11   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 12   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 13   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1295    222   6/1/2008    
 14   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1292    216   12/3/2007    
 15   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1292    216   12/3/2007    
 16   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1292    216   12/3/2007    
 17   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 18   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 19   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 20   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 21   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 22   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 23   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 24   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 25   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 26   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 27   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 28   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 29   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 30   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 31   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 32   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 33   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 34   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 35   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 36   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 37   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 38   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 39   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 40   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    232   4/30/2009    
 41   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 42   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 43   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 44   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 45   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 46   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 47   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 48   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 49   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 50   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 51   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 52   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 53   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 54   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 55   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 56   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 57   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 58   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 59   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 60   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 61   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 62   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 63   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 64   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1255    259   6/30/2011    
 65   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 66   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 67   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 68   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 69   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 70   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 71   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 72   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 73   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 74   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 75   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 76   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 77   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 78   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 79   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 80   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 81   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 82   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 83   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 84   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 85   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   1143    180   3/16/2005    
 86   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   100    213   8/31/2007   T 
 87   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   100    213   8/31/2007   T 
 88   ANDERSON Rick  BC   M   100    213   8/31/2007   T 
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

I was just wondering.. If someone is really such a good player or coach, they would not want to stay anonymous.. A good coach would have his name and credentials in his signature to attract potential students. You did neither.  I understand, as also my coach, that my technique is far from perfect and likely will never be as it makes no sense to re-learn a completly new technique at that age. Getting to a 2300 rating with no coaching at all shows that I did something right. There is a difference between correct style and effectiveness. I know players who play a perfectly looking forehand and backhand, yet I beat them 3:0 every time. I wanted to add to my game and build on what I have and not trying to re-learn the game in the theoretically correct way. Most players who learn TT the correct way never get to the rating that I have already achieved. I'm not looking for a perfect style but for being effective and successful. I don't care if I win ugly or beautiful. It's about winning..

Don't mind those people who bad month your style. It is not easy to (chop) block a ~2000 player fh power loop and win the match. They just don't play the pb style and think it is easy.
I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear, my coach means the dragon talon's pip head size is borderline illegal.
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Lestat,

pushblocker is trying to add some variation (largely forehand offense) to his game in order to make it less susceptible to extremely passive styles.  If you view the coaching from that angle, it is not the waste of time you think it is.  He's been working on it for two years so he has a pretty good idea of what he has gotten out of it.

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too bad the joke was lost on you as no one is in the 5000 range

my old ratings of whatever... and new rating of 2175 remains irrelevant to the observations i made about pb fh follow through...

regards
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Lestat,

pushblocker is trying to add some variation (largely forehand offense) to his game in order to make it less susceptible to extremely passive styles.  If you view the coaching from that angle, it is not the waste of time you think it is.  He's been working on it for two years so he has a pretty good idea of what he has gotten out of it.

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Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

r

too bad the joke was lost on you as no one is in the 5000 range

my old ratings of whatever... and new rating of 2175 remains irrelevant to the observations i made about pb fh follow through...

regards
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no rick I get the joke alright...ur the joke hahaha
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Originally posted by Lestat Lestat wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Lestat,

pushblocker is trying to add some variation (largely forehand offense) to his game in order to make it less susceptible to extremely passive styles.  If you view the coaching from that angle, it is not the waste of time you think it is.  He's been working on it for two years so he has a pretty good idea of what he has gotten out of it.

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Are you his spokesperson? Let the man speak for himself.

Anybody training for 2 years will get something out of it, that's not an argument.


No problem.  Have a good day.  I just thought your post showed signs that you were completely unaware of what he was trying to achieve.


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Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

r

too bad the joke was lost on you as no one is in the 5000 range

my old ratings of whatever... and new rating of 2175 remains irrelevant to the observations i made about pb fh follow through...

regards
rick


no rick I get the joke alright...ur the joke hahaha




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improving 900+ rating pts in a few yrs at age 47-50 is no joke.....but it remains irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

r
too bad the joke was lost on you as no one is in the 5000 range
my old ratings of whatever... and new rating of 2175 remains irrelevant to the observations i made about pb fh follow through...
regards
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no rick I get the joke alright...ur the joke hahaha

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improving 900+ rating pts in a few yrs at age 47-50 is no joke.....but it remains irrelevant to the topic at hand.
regards
rick


Actually Rick it's extremely important.  No offense, I wouldn't take any advice from a 1300 rated player (as recent as 2011), period.  Internet is full of delusional trolls who can't walk the talk (not saying you are one).  Nowhere says you are 2175 now, btw.
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this looks like current season stats for rick

https://www.tabletennis365.com/northumbria/Results/Player/Statistics/Northumbria_Winter_2013-14/Richard_Anderson/58636

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Don't mind those people who bad month your style. It is not easy to (chop) block a ~2000 player fh power loop and win the match. They just don't play the pb style and think it is easy.
I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear, my coach means the dragon talon's pip head size is borderline illegal.


What about it is borderline illegal? Didn't know that there is a limitation. The only limitations that I'm aware of is the total thickness which is 2.00 mm for ox and the aspect ratio between width and height of the actual pimple. I know that talon is at the maximum aspect ratio. There is also a rule for pip density and the Talon is close to be not at the minimum pips per square inch. So, I wonder what about the head is illegal? Just curious..
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Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

r
too bad the joke was lost on you as no one is in the 5000 range
my old ratings of whatever... and new rating of 2175 remains irrelevant to the observations i made about pb fh follow through...
regards
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no rick I get the joke alright...ur the joke hahaha

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improving 900+ rating pts in a few yrs at age 47-50 is no joke.....but it remains irrelevant to the topic at hand.
regards
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Actually Rick it's extremely important.  No offense, I wouldn't take any advice from a 1300 rated player (as recent as 2011), period.  Internet is full of delusional trolls who can't walk the talk (not saying you are one).  Nowhere says you are 2175 now, btw.



r

and if a hypothetical non table tennis player  (no rating, no experience...nothing to speak of except they have watched a number of you tube videos on stroke technique) makes an extremely valid critique about someone then their observations don't mean anything?  i don't adhere to that philosophy....

i was mountain biking one time and was in the wrong gear...too low, pedaling too fast...and i went by a homeless drunk bum in the gutter....literaly...he slurred at me when i went by "your cadence is way off buck...git in the proper f-k-n gear"

i didn't have to ask him for his credentials...he was right and that was all there was to it...so i did what i was told to and listened to someone who knew better than me at that particular moment...

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Everyone ought to remember that RR's alternate MyTT forum nickname COULD HAVE BEEN ...
 
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If anyone read the write-up of PB's (FRIENDLY) visit to LATTA to play a nice (whoop-em !!!) match vs RR where RR did pretty much whatever he wanted to vs PB... We would all understand RR's position of being able to "talk the talk" as he puts it. NO ONE should be able to dispute RR's point of view to comment about PB and PB himself will freely admit it and the need to learn a FH game, which it looks like he is developing as part of CNN breaking news.
 
TT forums are where we share and talk about stuff we are interested in and stuff we are proud of. As much as us 2X inverted attacking types can diss PB's game... getting to a max of 2300 and a consistent 2200ish level is no joke, a level many of us will never achieve, no matter what we do.
 
Rick doesn't look like he is detached form the sport and he exudes a spirit of rebellion that RR, myself, and many others possess. Putting aside Rick's previous posts that got people out of kilt, it seems Rick truly loves TT and knows more than a lick about the sport.
 
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Shyt, all of you all have given me so many "popcorn" moments that I have eaten through my entire inventory of popcorn and need to travel to replenish my supplies.



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Everyone ought to remember that RR's alternate MyTT forum nickname COULD HAVE BEEN ...
 

PB DADDY.

 

If anyone read the write-up of PB's (FRIENDLY) visit to LATTA to play a nice (whoop-em !!!) match vs RR where RR did pretty much whatever he wanted to vs PB... We would all understand RR's position of being able to "talk the talk" as he puts it. NO ONE should be able to dispute RR's point of view to comment about PB and PB himself will freely admit it and the need to learn a FH game, which it looks like he is developing as part of CNN breaking news.

 

TT forums are where we share and talk about stuff we are interested in and stuff we are proud of. As much as us 2X inverted attacking types can diss PB's game... getting to a max of 2300 and a consistent 2200ish level is no joke, a level many of us will never achieve, no matter what we do.

 

Rick doesn't look like he is detached form the sport and he exudes a spirit of rebellion that RR, myself, and many others possess. Putting aside Rick's previous posts that got people out of kilt, it seems Rick truly loves TT and knows more than a lick about the sport.

 

Shyt, all of you all have given me so many "popcorn" moments that I have eaten through my entire inventory of popcorn and need to travel to replenish my supplies.


Roundrobin is probably one of the most underrated players on this forum and one of the strongest playing regulars here. He doesn't play a whole lot of tournaments but I've seen him beating 2300 to even 2500 level players on a REGULAR basis.. If he would be playing more tournaments, he would certainly be over 2300 rated. NONE of the other long pips blockers have a chance against Roundrobin. He destroys me, Robert Shanazari, Duc Loi and have even beaten one of the strongest long pips blockers/flat hitters in a recent training match against Shuja Jafar (who beat current National Champion Timothy Wang a tournament later and is rated close to 2400). I'll take his opinion over the opinion over other know-it-all posters here any day..

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Rick doesn't look like he is detached form the sport and he exudes a spirit of rebellion that RR, myself, and many others possess. Putting aside Rick's previous posts that got people out of kilt, it seems Rick truly loves TT and knows more than a lick about the sport.


Don't get me wrong BH-Man I like Rick, he's full of cr@p just like some say I am too...it's always fun to chat with equals lol... Life is too boring without like-minded friends.
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

Everyone ought to remember that RR's alternate MyTT forum nickname COULD HAVE BEEN ...
 

PB DADDY.

 

If anyone read the write-up of PB's (FRIENDLY) visit to LATTA to play a nice (whoop-em !!!) match vs RR where RR did pretty much whatever he wanted to vs PB... We would all understand RR's position of being able to "talk the talk" as he puts it. NO ONE should be able to dispute RR's point of view to comment about PB and PB himself will freely admit it and the need to learn a FH game, which it looks like he is developing as part of CNN breaking news.

 

TT forums are where we share and talk about stuff we are interested in and stuff we are proud of. As much as us 2X inverted attacking types can diss PB's game... getting to a max of 2300 and a consistent 2200ish level is no joke, a level many of us will never achieve, no matter what we do.

 

Rick doesn't look like he is detached form the sport and he exudes a spirit of rebellion that RR, myself, and many others possess. Putting aside Rick's previous posts that got people out of kilt, it seems Rick truly loves TT and knows more than a lick about the sport.

 

Shyt, all of you all have given me so many "popcorn" moments that I have eaten through my entire inventory of popcorn and need to travel to replenish my supplies.

I'll take his opinion over the opinion over other know-it-all posters here any day..


Fair enough...  ask him what he thinks about your recovery time after your fh swing then...see what he says.

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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

 
Shyt, all of you all have given me so many "popcorn" moments that I have eaten through my entire inventory of popcorn and need to travel to replenish my supplies.



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Fair enough...  ask him what he thinks about your recovery time after your fh swing then...see what he says.

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The question is not so much if my recovery time is good or not.. The question is if I need recovery time if I hit a winner. Probably, in matches, over 90% of the time that I attack in a match, it's usually a winner or a miss.. I rarely get my shots returned because I go for the kill and as I don't attack a lot, I often have the advantage of the surprise. I know that my technique is nowhere close to perfect and never will be. That's NOT the focus of my training. The concept of my game is also different from the vast majority of players.. If players attack against me, I can beat them without ever attacking. If all opponents would do that, I wouldn't have needed coaching. The reason for getting coaching was to find a way with my limited offensive skills to be able to punish opponents for playing soft or slow against me and I do like the results so far. Again, the focus is to put away the ball and not to get into offensive rallies.. It's either hit or miss when I get the chance to attack.

BTW, I do follow advice from RR.. He has a very good understanding of my game..

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What about it is borderline illegal? Didn't know that there is a limitation. The only limitations that I'm aware of is the total thickness which is 2.00 mm for ox and the aspect ratio between width and height of the actual pimple. I know that talon is at the maximum aspect ratio. There is also a rule for pip density and the Talon is close to be not at the minimum pips per square inch. So, I wonder what about the head is illegal? Just curious..

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Fair enough...  ask him what he thinks about your recovery time after your fh swing then...see what he says.

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Ok I just looked at the video... PB uses a BH stance to facilitate pushblocking so he is not able to incorporate much body rotation for his FH... He has to swing harder so the follow through will understandably be longer. 
It's fine because whenever he uses his FH it should be point-winning shot, so recovery is not that important.  If I were his coach I would ask him to hit a bit harder and use some forward body movement while doing so.  Always better to overshoot in training.
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Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:


Fair enough...  ask him what he thinks about your recovery time after your fh swing then...see what he says.

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Ok I just looked at the video... PB uses a BH stance to facilitate pushblocking so he is not able to incorporate much body rotation for his FH... He has to swing harder so the follow through will understandably be longer. 
It's fine because whenever he uses his FH it should be point-winning shot, so recovery is not that important.  If I were his coach I would ask him to hit a bit harder and use some forward body movement while doing so.  Always better to overshoot in training.



I actually usually hit harder in matches but in training we go for percentage. The origin of my forehand technique is that originally, I did not have any shoulder rotation when hitting forehands if you remember on how I used to play forehand... It was all in the arm which was wrong. So, my coach told me to reach for the ball with the left hand before attacking in order for me to achieve enough shoulder rotation so that I have better power and will miss less.. My percentage of hit vs. miss went a LOT higher doing that. I understand that my technique is nowhere close to perfect and never will be.

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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:


What about it is borderline illegal? Didn't know that there is a limitation. The only limitations that I'm aware of is the total thickness which is 2.00 mm for ox and the aspect ratio between width and height of the actual pimple. I know that talon is at the maximum aspect ratio. There is also a rule for pip density and the Talon is close to be not at the minimum pips per square inch. So, I wonder what about the head is illegal? Just curious..

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My coach asks me to get him a piece of talon rubber several times. The truth is that I do not know where to get the rubber (I get mine through this forum). One time, he asked me again; So, I tell him that one of the coaches in our club tries the talon before and he believes it does not worth the USD ~$20, so that he will not ask me again. Then, he tells me that talon is similar to the LP rubber he played before the LP ban. He says that few Chinese tt companies start to "reproduce" tack style (大頭釘) LP rubber again after the ITTF goes easy on the LP ban. They are borderline illegal. At the end, he tells me that if the coaches do not play with LP, I no need to listen to them regrading LP Wink
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Interesting.. The North America distributor for Giant Dragon is

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The question is not so much if my recovery time is good or not.. The question is if I need recovery time if I hit a winner. Probably, in matches, over 90% of the time that I attack in a match, it's usually a winner or a miss.. I rarely get my shots returned because I go for the kill and as I don't attack a lot, I often have the advantage of the surprise. I know that my technique is nowhere close to perfect and never will be. That's NOT the focus of my training. The concept of my game is also different from the vast majority of players.. If players attack against me, I can beat them without ever attacking. If all opponents would do that, I wouldn't have needed coaching. The reason for getting coaching was to find a way with my limited offensive skills to be able to punish opponents for playing soft or slow against me and I do like the results so far. Again, the focus is to put away the ball and not to get into offensive rallies.. It's either hit or miss when I get the chance to attack.

BTW, I do follow advice from RR.. He has a very good understanding of my game..

Pushblocker, that is one of the reasons I ask about your fh / bh switch, when is the good time to attack??
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Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:


Fair enough...  ask him what he thinks about your recovery time after your fh swing then...see what he says.

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whenever he uses his FH it should be point-winning shot, so recovery is not that important. 




r

thats in a perfect world...

lol...you all make it seem like it's a ridiculous notion to try to improve on recovery time because the shot's a done deal if it lands....

always thinking quick recovery to a set position is a solid way to go, regardless of ones level and/or goals....it's just a very basic fundamental concept....anything to the contrary quite frankly is smoke and mirrors.

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I actually usually hit harder in matches but in training we go for percentage. The origin of my forehand technique is that originally, I did not have any shoulder rotation when hitting forehands if you remember on how I used to play forehand... It was all in the arm which was wrong. So, my coach told me to reach for the ball with the left hand before attacking in order for me to achieve enough shoulder rotation so that I have better power and will miss less.. My percentage of hit vs. miss went a LOT higher doing that. I understand that my technique is nowhere close to perfect and never will be.


And here, I have taken my MYTT nugget for the quarter.  It makes sense now that this is possibly what Ma Long is doing with his left arm all the time.
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Pushblocker, that is one of the reasons I ask about your fh / bh switch, when is the good time to attack??
As long as you do not play double, yr fh swing is fine WinkWink



Either when I receive a weak ball which is always a good time or when the opponent seems to be least expecting it.. What I personally like to do is to pin the opponent with my blocks and pushes deep in their backhand and if I see them trying to step far into their backhand corner so that they can play forehand from that corner, I step around and attack to their forehand side.. They will be completely off balance as they just moved away from the forehand side.. So, always watch your opponents positioning to decide on what stroke to use.
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Coach Yoo from Yong-In TTC is a very respected LP coach for the classic Korean OX LP style. he teaches that on attack, when the ball is high or loose, to simply move forward and hit it with the arm. Not the whole arm pivoting on the shoulder, there is little control there, but to raise the bat to ball level or above, take a step forward, hit through it using elbow as a hinge, and watch opponent shyt their pants. Usually, as PB is saying, when defender decisively attacks a loose ball with FH, it is point over most cases.
 
The need to use the elbow as a pivot using little to no shoulder is important for control. The use of shoulder make the stroke longer and taking more time. You do not need the extra length for power. The momentum started by going forward combined with the arm hit hinging on elbow is enough. This is almost exactly what we do for a BH smash close to table (move in, little to no backswing, hinge on elbow, use lower arm and wrist to finish). The result of a smash with this shorter arm still results in a pretty fast ball, fast enough to win point as the attack is a surprise or the opponent knows they gave up an easy one and are retreating to save their life.
 
Doing this also allows one to stay on balance, doesn't take a lot of time to get into action, has a LOT of control, is fast enough, is decisive, is pretty easy to execute, and usually wins the point.
 
I wouldn't ape any LP player attacking a loose ball with FH that comes high using that technique. Similar for a ball that is lower. Yeah, it would be great to have already been in a neutral or FH ready position to use more rotation and get more leg behind it, but simply stepping forward and hitting with lower arm (just like you would to do a FH counter-drive over the table) is plenty fast (not a smash, but if opponent is not accustomed or ready to receive the attack it will be successful) and controllable.
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