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Thanks for the advice everyone. I do tend to eat quite late. Is there a scientific reason as to why this adds fat?

(I'll have hard time giving up BBQ, my favorite food Cry)

I play about 2 hours a week. I'm not sure what constitutes as "demanding" TT. I usually work up a sweat.
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Originally posted by BarbecueTT BarbecueTT wrote:

Thanks for the advice everyone. I do tend to eat quite late. Is there a scientific reason as to why this adds fat?
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I play about 2 hours a week. I'm not sure what constitutes as "demanding" TT. I usually work up a sweat.
That is not enough.   It takes about 10 to 15 hours a week of TT sweat just to maintain if you don;t diet and avoid beer.  It may take even more depending on how you play TT.  It should be obvious that if you just stand there you don't burn many calories.  You have to move.



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Originally posted by BarbecueTT BarbecueTT wrote:

Thanks for the advice everyone. I do tend to eat quite late. Is there a scientific reason as to why this adds fat?

(I'll have hard time giving up BBQ, my favorite food Cry)

I play about 2 hours a week. I'm not sure what constitutes as "demanding" TT. I usually work up a sweat.


hi BBQTT, I can see it in your name that it is your fav food lol.

Regarding eat quite late.

In TCM, they recommed to have atleast 3 hours gap between your dinner and sleep. Some TCM practioners recommend not to eat after 8pm. As it is important to sleep before 11pm, so that is how the number adds up.

Ofcourse what you eat also plays an important role.

I don't think TCM theories are scientificly approved though, but it is approved by WHO


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DIET is 75% of how you look and feel! There is an easy to understand concept (that unfortunately alot of people do not understand. Your body is a fatburning machine! Literally! But...it needs food every 3 to 4 hours!!! and GOOD FOOD!!!!(ratio of 40%/40%/20%).

40%. Protein!!!! Meat! Mostly chicken, beef, pork and fish

40%. FAT! Yes fat! But good fat, extra virgin olive oil, and the fat from the meat. It is very important! the body needs that good fat to function properly!

20%. This is where alot of people make mistakes and have a hard time to keep up this lifestyle! Because it is a lifestyle not a diet!!!! Your carbohydrate intake it's the one that makes it or brakes it. good luck!

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40%. FAT! Yes fat! But good fat, extra virgin olive oil, and the fat from the meat. It is very important! the body needs that good fat to function properly!
But not fat from red meat.  It contains saturated fat which isn't good for you and you will live better without it.

Also, 40% is too high.  The link below recommends 30%.  My DR recommends less.




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Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:


Some great players are in terrible physical shape.  Bavly up in MA probably can't climb three flights of stars without a break, but he could sure destroy me in a TT match!  


Yes, my physical fitness has held me back in the USATT 2150-2200 range instead of being in the 2400's where I belong. I've found that for every 200 calories I burn playing tt, I work up a 300 calorie appetite, so I need to cut down playing table tennis to no more than once per week to get into shape. Now that I'm out of practice, I'm still stuck in the 2150-2200 range.
I tested myself with 3 flights of stairs. I admit the 3rd flight got me a bit winded. Have a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5q6qEWibk
 
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Originally posted by bavasaurus bavasaurus wrote:

Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:


Some great players are in terrible physical shape.  Bavly up in MA probably can't climb three flights of stars without a break, but he could sure destroy me in a TT match!  


Yes, my physical fitness has held me back in the USATT 2150-2200 range instead of being in the 2400's where I belong. I've found that for every 200 calories I burn playing tt, I work up a 300 calorie appetite, so I need to cut down playing table tennis to no more than once per week to get into shape. Now that I'm out of practice, I'm still stuck in the 2150-2200 range.
I tested myself with 3 flights of stairs. I admit the 3rd flight got me a bit winded. Have a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5q6qEWibk
 

Bavly FTW! 

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We should do a poll on how many members are slightly or way overweight..... Haha or fat!!!
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What's considered slightly and what's considered way overweight? Pig

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Originally posted by BarbecueTT BarbecueTT wrote:

What's considered slightly and what's considered way overweight? Pig
When picking up the ball from the floor becomes the most challenging part of a match, that would be considered in the way overweight category.
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Originally posted by bavasaurus bavasaurus wrote:

Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:


Some great players are in terrible physical shape.  Bavly up in MA probably can't climb three flights of stars without a break, but he could sure destroy me in a TT match!  


Yes, my physical fitness has held me back in the USATT 2150-2200 range instead of being in the 2400's where I belong. I've found that for every 200 calories I burn playing tt, I work up a 300 calorie appetite, so I need to cut down playing table tennis to no more than once per week to get into shape. Now that I'm out of practice, I'm still stuck in the 2150-2200 range.
I tested myself with 3 flights of stairs. I admit the 3rd flight got me a bit winded. Have a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5q6qEWibk
 

WOW! you were once 13 points away from 2400!!! can we watch some youtube matches of yours when you have time to share with us?

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Amen to the: physical fitness (or lack thereof) holding one back significantly. I'm SOOOO out of shape its ridiculous. And not only out of shape in terms of conditioning, but I have gained so much stupid weight the last 10 years. GRRRRRRRRRR. Today, as I'm trying to get back into playing, I was completely tanked after 2 matches. Empty. Done. Toast. During my second match I would literally just serve and go for a winner in the last 3 games. I had zero energy. So I ended up losing in 5 - and this guy is probably rated 400-500 points (USATT) below where I should be.

I'm officially booking a room here at the 'fat TT club'. Unhappy
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:


WOW! you were once 13 points away from 2400!!! can we watch some youtube matches of yours when you have time to share with us?

and WELCOME!


Not sure if you realize my 2387 rating was achieved 100 lbs ago. Since this thread is about fitness and your location shows Seattle, WA, here's a link to my match with Valerie Kim. One of the biggest fitness mismatches ever staged. I don't know Kim other than from our match, but I could tell he was one of the most physically fit players I've ever faced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icy_TfBlcb0 
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I use to participate in a sport with weight classes.  So I understand making weight is a difficult process.

Negative calories burn sounds interesting.  But in reality it is eating lots of salads with no cheese and very little dressing.  Sometimes you go for weeks on a soup diet (savory water is filling).   Soups were more like broth, no bisque or cream of whatever soups.  Fried food are out of the question.  Carbs had to be complex.  No white bread, no white rice.  

We do a lot of jogging 5 miles a couple times a week.  Sometimes if we wanted to save our legs we would go biking but twice the distance as jogging, so 10 miles.  

Another exercise we found helpful was stair training.  There was a football stadium near by and we would do 3 sets.  First set was bottom to top single steps.  2nd set was bottom to top skipping 1 step.  3rd set was bottom to top skipping 2 steps.

Since making weight was important we would not try to bulk up with weight training.  But would do lots of drills with resistance bands.

TT is a good exercise, but you have be intense for it to become a weight loss activity.  Sometimes I feel strange at less competitive clubs.  Playing like I was training for a major competition by hitting loop drives at their elbows, and it's an elderly person or little kid at the other end of the table.  That's when I decide to take them to deuce, and let them win.  More exercise for me.
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Originally posted by bavasaurus bavasaurus wrote:

Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:


Some great players are in terrible physical shape.  Bavly up in MA probably can't climb three flights of stars without a break, but he could sure destroy me in a TT match!  


Yes, my physical fitness has held me back in the USATT 2150-2200 range instead of being in the 2400's where I belong. I've found that for every 200 calories I burn playing tt, I work up a 300 calorie appetite, so I need to cut down playing table tennis to no more than once per week to get into shape. Now that I'm out of practice, I'm still stuck in the 2150-2200 range.
I tested myself with 3 flights of stairs. I admit the 3rd flight got me a bit winded. Have a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5q6qEWibk
 

 
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Table tennis can definitely HELP you lose weight but you have to be committed besides.  I played a lot in the 70s and 80s then didn't play from 1992 to 2009 (17 years of raising a family, working etc).  Started back up (I'm 52 now)  and lost 30 pounds so far.  Got my rating back up into the 1900s and I play very hard.  Mostly forehand looper so need a lot of footwork.  Usually play 2x per week and train 2x per week but one training session is 3 solid hours of drills followed by 1 hour of games so it's very intense.
 
When I came back, I could only play about 2 matches and I was worn out, now I can play much more without getting exhausted.  But I want to lose another 40 pounds and table tennis is the only way I will be able to do it.  I also try to do a few ellyptical sessions a week as well, but TT is my main source of activity.
 
Hang in there, everyone that needs to lose some weight, be committed and consistent.  A bad day or bad week (eating) is going to happen but just keep it up and you will improve your body and your game.
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I find that wearing anything more than a thin layer of breathably body paint is too heavy for league night.
 
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Yes, my physical fitness has held me back in the USATT 2150-2200 range instead of being in the 2400's where I belong. I've found that for every 200 calories I burn playing tt, I work up a 300 calorie appetite, so I need to cut down playing table tennis to no more than once per week to get into shape. 

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You've gotta be kidding. For most people physical exercise makes you lose weight. Don't play the appetite game. That's just like telling the teacher "I didn't do my homework, because I was too busy playing video games." I do like that you are mixing table tennis with strength training. Very good for burning fat. 
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You guys doing that are overweight must be doing something drastically wrong, perhaps we can start a thread where the people that are high level diet "players" can pitch in with some advice
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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

You guys doing that are overweight must be doing something drastically wrong, perhaps we can start a thread where the people that are high level diet "players" can pitch in with some advice
It's more about self control.
Skinny person consumes 1 doughnut a day.
Overweight person consumes 10 doughnuts a day. 

I'm not fatist. Overweight people will live longer in times of starvation and with 2012 coming up it might be a good thing to be overweight :D However, I shake my head when I hear an overweight person saying that he/she really wants to lose weight, but eats 10 doughnuts a day without fail. Contradicted... On the other hand, I admire the fat people that are proud and don't give excuses for being heavy.  
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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

You guys doing that are overweight must be doing something drastically wrong, perhaps we can start a thread where the people that are high level diet "players" can pitch in with some advice
It's more about self control.
Skinny person consumes 1 doughnut a day.
Overweight person consumes 10 doughnuts a day. 

I'm not fatist. Overweight people will live longer in times of starvation and with 2012 coming up it might be a good thing to be overweight :D However, I shake my head when I hear an overweight person saying that he/she really wants to lose weight, but eats 10 doughnuts a day without fail. Contradicted... On the other hand, I admire the fat people that are proud and don't give excuses for being heavy.  

It's called addiction. Same with people who want to stop smoking or viewing pornography etc.
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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

You guys doing that are overweight must be doing something drastically wrong, perhaps we can start a thread where the people that are high level diet "players" can pitch in with some advice
It's more about self control.
Skinny person consumes 1 doughnut a day.
Overweight person consumes 10 doughnuts a day. 

I'm not fatist. Overweight people will live longer in times of starvation and with 2012 coming up it might be a good thing to be overweight :D However, I shake my head when I hear an overweight person saying that he/she really wants to lose weight, but eats 10 doughnuts a day without fail. Contradicted... On the other hand, I admire the fat people that are proud and don't give excuses for being heavy.  

It's called addiction. Same with people who want to stop smoking or viewing pornography etc.
Addictions can be controlled and conquered. If not, then learn to love yourself and your addiction. Smoking, gambling and eating may have side effects, but they are extremely enjoyable. Nothing wrong with living it up and enjoying the moment. It's okay to be large, just as long as you're large and in charge. Watch and learn.
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How fat precisely one should be not to play TT? This is the only sport where fat fellows are welcome - except for sumo, of course.



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There's no weight limit in USATT tourneys. If one's size limits his level of play, he just competes in an appropriate rating level event.

Here's an example of a match between two heavyweights (myself and Richard McAfee) played at a respectable level. Note that Richard used frictionless Neubauer at the time.
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really, Table tennis can definitely HELP you lose weight Wink
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Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

...This is the only sport where fat fellows are welcome...

Huhhh??? Wacko
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haha, just come across this youtube video, two heavyweight tt players against each other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68jmkOBkA0


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That is nothing.  This is the clash of the Titans.
I have made the URL a link so that all the rest of you don't have to cut and paste a URL.  This makes it easy for everyone else.
Egghead,  one of my pet peeves is those that do make their URLs a link.



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These two guys are anorexics compared to 65 yo twins, ex-pros, now abt 2200 RC, totaling 600 pounds. I will videotape them next time they come to play.
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