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Obachecka 
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Hello
I want to open a new topic about tuning rubbers with paraffin ,which is also very cheap. Can you speakk/read german ? Here are many infos about paraffin tuning (>20 pages) : http://forum.tt-news.de/showthread.php?t=51899 If you can't read or understand german i will summarize the infos for you or maybe it would be better if someone who speaks a better english summarizes it. Some first Infos : -it is definitely legal (vapor pressure of some paraffin oils is under 0,03mbar ) -it lasts with a great effect up to 8-9 (some say up to 14 days) days -parraffin is also contained in "Stiga Extreme Booster" -.... Greetings from germany Kevin |
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Posted: 02/15/2008 at 10:06am |
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If I can remove all the old glue from one of my cut sheets I will try it tonight. I just love new experiments!
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Posted: 02/15/2008 at 11:41am |
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is it true that most water based tuners are pure parrafine. Guys for prove look here
the ingredients of nittaku speed axel which is the same water based tuner as stiga extreme booster
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Posted: 02/15/2008 at 11:41am |
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As far as I know there is a other tread here with a link to Borko & Son. They tune the rubbers with petroleum, which is very similar to praraffin oil.
Greetings Roger |
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@ skyline: The Tuners are not water based, only several of the new voc-free glues.
All the new tuners are based on "parrafin oil" The Tuners from Stiga and Nittakku are exactly the same product. CTE is also based on paraffin oil. Greetings Roger |
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@ Obachecka: The vapor pressure limit for the tuners and the glues is not 0,03 mbar it is 0,3 mbar
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sorry I meant voc free tuners.
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@ roger :
Yeah thanks, you're right. i'm silly  But , so what ? Parraffine is still legal  |
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@ Obachecka: As long as the vapor pressure is under 0,3 mbar, it is legal.
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@ Roger :
That's what I say.... @ All : So, what do you think of that ? Greetings |
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I think I heard somewhere that paraffin is the same as kerosene. Is this true?
If so, I hear you can get it for like $3-$4 a gallon, which is a huge improvement over $40 for a few hundred ml of cte. |
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Posted: 02/15/2008 at 6:44pm |
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Paraffin is a different name for kerosene. It is called this in the UK and a few other places around the world.
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Just for grins, I tuned a Sheet of Venus and a Sheet of 802-40 with Coleman fuel today. Two coats on the sponge and one on the top sheet. Yea, that is the fuel for camp stoves.
The Venus topsheet is softer and much spinnier than new. Both picked up about 10% in speed. Don't know how long it will last but the sponges and topsheets reacted like "Right now". The 802-40 is on max sponge and so is the Venus. Don't know if it is leagle and don't care. Having fun experimenting. They both click loud and the spin off the Venus is huge.  |
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it's not quite the same in the US. Lamp/paraffin oil is a slightly more distilled version of kerosene that burns cleaner.
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OMG ! ITTF baned VOC glue in order to keep players away from nocive vapors, and now...look at that ! You put kerosene on your rubbers. For working in an airport, I can tell you kerosene isn't good for health. I wish Mr Shahara cannot read this or he will have a heart attack.
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I tuned my Sriver L max with Paraffin (3 layers on the Sponge and 2 layers on the Topsheet) since 4 Weeks. The Effekt is equal to Speed Glue and the Effekt by Paraffin is continues for 2-3 Weeks.
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Coleman fuel is not pure parrafin oil, with naptha being another ingredient. I looked at the MSDS for coleman fuel last night but don't remember the other ingredients off hand. Some not legal from ITTF standpoint. From a chemical standpoint coleman fuel should work very well for tuning . The lasting effects would have to be experimented with..........gotta go now. Tiki torch oil is a more refined parrafin, but that brand also puts in citronella scent to repel mosquitos..........may make it smell better when tuning......bye for now.
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Here's the link for Coleman Fuel MSDS:
Page 4 at the bottom states ingredients. Definitely NOT LEGAL
 Closest readily available Parrafin oil in US is Kerosene, lamp oil or outdoor torch oil. Kerosene being the cheapest and lowest grade of the three.
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the link is www.borkoandson.com/lampoil
the thread swissping is talking about is
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It is not the same kerosene like the kerosene for the planes! Paraffin oil is not bad for the health!
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Yes, thats right!
Normaly, lamp oil or paraffin oil should be legal as long as the vapor pressure is unter 0,3 mbar. CTE, Stiga Boster and Speedaxel from Nittakku are all around 95% of praffin oil.
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hey, wehre do you guys buy this stuff? I looked in save-on-foods yesturday and they didnt have it. would they have it in shoppers drug mart or.....??? thanks...my CTE is running out and i dont really feel like dishing out so much $$ for some more=P thnx guys
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If you are not entering anything where you might get your bat sniffed, try some barbeque lighting fluid. I am lead to believe it is pretty much the same stuff but some could have some extra nasties in them. They don't seem to like writing exactly what is in them on the side.
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try a pharmacy
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www.borkoandson.com/lampoil that oil can be purchased around $4 for 32 oz at one of those big stores that belong to a chain that does not care much about its employees and give them terrible work conditions. |
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Here is the MSDS link for the brand and type Borko speaks of using in the posted link to his site. From the vapor pressure and ingredients it does look perfectly legal as far as the ITTF goes. This is the Ultra Pure, and it is different than the torch fuel and original lamp oil made by the same company, which may not pass enez due to higher vapor pressure. I have some torch fuel so I will try that anyway to see what the results are this weekend.
http://www.lamplightfarms.com/pdf/msds_ultra_pure_lamp_oil.pdf
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Does this have odour like eucalyptus?
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http://images.acehardwareoutlet.com/Products/6072185.jpg
I find it at Ace. $50 for 4 gal or $12.50/gal. |
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