1 ply Hinoki Blades

One of the main problems (especially for those new to this topic) with these officially manufactured 1-ply blades from Darker, JUIC, Butterfly, Tibhar that for almost none of them do we have some reliable ratings in speed/spin/control, even weight/thickness are not always available; and perhaps some other characteristics evaluated at some formal level, like softness, blocking, stiffness, type (ALL+, OFF-, OFF etc) etc.

That could (perhaps) help to choose between them and ascertain their standing as compared to the custom blades such as the ones produced by Borko, ryno and ahinoki among others...

JimT wrote: One of the main problems (especially for those new to this topic) with these officially manufactured 1-ply blades from Darker, JUIC, Butterfly, Tibhar that for almost none of them do we have some reliable ratings in speed/spin/control, even weight/thickness are not always available; and perhaps some other characteristics evaluated at some formal level, like softness, blocking, stiffness, type (ALL+, OFF-, OFF etc) etc. That could (perhaps) help to choose between them and ascertain their standing as compared to the custom blades such as the ones produced by Borko, ryno and ahinoki among others...

juic,tibhar have official websites,you conslult their representatives directly,instead of trying to talk to some tt on-line stores.

Wingman wrote: JimT wrote: One of the main problems (especially for those new to this topic) with these officially manufactured 1-ply blades from Darker, JUIC, Butterfly, Tibhar that for almost none of them do we have some reliable ratings in speed/spin/control, even weight/thickness are not always available; and perhaps some other characteristics evaluated at some formal level, like softness, blocking, stiffness, type (ALL+, OFF-, OFF etc) etc. That could (perhaps) help to choose between them and ascertain their standing as compared to the custom blades such as the ones produced by Borko, ryno and ahinoki among others...   Maybe that's because 1ply hinoki are not popular among shakehanders, unlike Jpen is a "must"?

You might be right... for a regular shakehand player 1-ply hinoki could be just too thick in terms of properly holding the blade, but for a J-pen guy that seems to be not a deterrent as they rarely have to pinch the blade itself between their fingers.

Also for a 5-ply or a 7-ply blade which is industrially manufactured it is much easier to achieve greater consistency as small deviations in wood quality cancel out each other (not to mention composite blades - carbon or aramid mesh is basically consistent almost be definition). Whereas for a 1-ply blade if you begin with an inferior piece of wood (blank) you might end up with a very crappy blade

Agreed.  Took my friend almost 1 month to play 1ply comfortably when he changed from Clipper Cpen to Speed90 Cpen.  He is quite a fully develped player who looked for a change in his setup.  I told him about 1ply, he went back to check it on some kinda chinese forum and found out that there are so many possitive comments and that the blade from iruiru is a very good deal compared to the price in China.  At first he didn't like it much, but because of the high price he already paid, he had to continue using it.  I still get thanks from him for my recommendation because he is so happy about it now.

Played Tanpan today. Almost no difference from my AW-8... just a few extra grams of weight, and smooth handle instead of cork... that's it. I think I'll pass, or better yet I'll order another one from http://www.americanhinoki.com but a bit stiffer and faster, so that I have a slightly different spare.

Then I switched to my 729 V-6 and this time the switch was almost painless. The only unusual thing was that I had completely new Dawei Inspirit Quattro on my FH and its slight catapult effect was throwing me off a little. But it's not as bad as with Torrent.

I again started thinking that selecting a blade sometimes really depends on who you play (provided of course that you can quickly switch to another blade without losing any of your preparedness). When I play guys who are allround or OFF- players then my V-6 is probably the best bet, when I play defenders then I'd rather use my fast and stiff T-4, and when I play OFF+ people then i think it's best to use my 1-ply AW-8...

This is probably for a different thread however - the main problem in playing 2-3 blades simultaneously at the tournament is that you either need ton of experience with each one, otherwise you are bound to waste a lot of time switching between them. Giving away the first game is almost a sure thing...

cole just put up the top grade hinoki from Galaxy for $260 bucks, i THINK i'll pass on that. Nittaku just came up w/ new blades

but he's got the buttons for flare/straight o.O

If they seal it then so much the better. But quite often they don't - and for one-plies it's definitely a must. I am surprised that manufacturers don't do that themselves - for the money they are charging that would be a very small thing to add...

sthokie wrote: The Darker Speed-90 CPen I got from iruiru also came sealed.

and people say i got too many high end blades. This guy is nuts right here :D

So, any reviews/impressions from that JUIC Kiso Hinoki 1-ply?

at least jpen and SH are very accessible. It's impossible to find the cpens i want

JimT wrote: dalamchops wrote: at least jpen and SH are very accessible. It's impossible to find the cpens i want Buy SH and cut down the handle ... also Galaxy, i am sure, gotta have cpens

this is what i call "Abuse of t/t gems" if dalam really wanna go ahead wif his quest of ultimate cpen n resorts to "cut down" a Acoustic ST or whatever to be a Acoustic Cpen...

So, wingman did you buy a speed90? If yes, please compare it to H-1-9.
Thanks

However, if you really have to decide between Speed90 and H-1-9 now, that I can tell you right away, get Speed90 as it doesn't vibrate like H-1-9.

holda wrote: Wingman wrote: However, if you really have to decide between Speed90 and H-1-9 now, that I can tell you right away, get Speed90 as it doesn't vibrate like H-1-9.   Holda has both Speed90 and Juic one-ply, from his comparison, (from my understanding) there is virtually no difference in perfromances.  I want to get Juic too but he just grab the lightest one from paddle palace  (89grams?), so I rather wait with a risk of price increase, since I just ordered Cpen too...         juic is more a vibrating blade,but speed 90 is thicker,so vibro feel is not so pronounced.i want spee 90 in SH version,but i am now broke

Which Speed 90 you have now? Flared?