Beginner's Rubber Thread

hmmm i had vario 1.8mm

Sriver 1.9

If the purpose is to get smth allround and cheap then

Dawei Inspirit 1.8
Gambler Six Shooter 2.0
Cream MRS 2.0
LKT Pro XP/XT 2.0
729 FXEL Supersoft
729 Higher 3 (Japanese sponge)
729 Focus 1 Special

bull_harrier wrote: Sriver 2.1 Mark V 1.9 - 2.1 (2.2?)

Sriver L, EL, FX 2.1 or 1.9 mm

the lkts are the best choice i think, good, soft  and very cheap

i kinda disagree that there's a thing called beginner's rubber ... except for price.

Stiga Magna is NOT for beginners. Too much spin to handle.

The concept of beginners being able to 'handle' certain equipment is merely a myth.

Anyone can adjust to anything.

Fool around with some real equipment from other players, and when something feels -really good-, buy the high quality wood (which can easily last you a a lifetime) and rubbers and be done with the equipment aspect of the game forever.

I actually do not agree. It is true that you can adjust to any equipment to some level, but I believe using very fast equipment when you start will hinder your development, because not having the reflexes, the footwork and the experience of understanding spin, short game tactics and ball placement, one will end up doing short movements, not being able to generate much spin in the aggressive shots and using his/her paddle in a passive way, being vulnerable to the opponent's spin. For a beginner, a good way to understand what he/she is missing when using fast equipment, can be realized by playing only once with an experienced fast looper with good short game, who uses third ball attacks. Or any other aggressive consistent player.

If you just play without caring much about your development, against lower level players, fast equipment can be fun. But if you plan to compete, I believe you should move to faster equipment when you really feel the need, when attacking for example from 2 meters from the table and see you do not get the power you need. But still, keep in mind that you will be sacrificing other components of your game then and probably you should have developed by that time to a player that pushes rarely and flips and attacks in every possible chance with high percentages of success.

I believe there are plenty of experienced players around this forum to give more advice on that. My opinion may be biased by my own experiences, abilities and style of play, but I have still encountered the same opinion among a few other people here.

In short, I think the beginner's rubbers and blades mentioned in the couple of threads here are pretty good and the advice of experienced players and coaches around here should be followed to a big extend.

so its a myth that if you let a beginner use a schlager carbon with 2 bryce max in it glued it won't matter mildseven?

debraj wrote: dimitris wrote: I actually do not agree. It is true that you can adjust to any equipment to some level, but I believe using very fast equipment when you start will hinder your development, because not having the reflexes, the footwork and the experience of understanding spin, short game tactics and ball placement, one will end up doing short movements, not being able to generate much spin in the aggressive shots and using his/her paddle in a passive way, being vulnerable to the opponent's spin. For a beginner, a good way to understand what he/she is missing when using fast equipment, can be realized by playing only once with an experienced fast looper with good short game, who uses third ball attacks. Or any other aggressive consistent player. If you just play without caring much about your development, against lower level players, fast equipment can be fun. But if you plan to compete, I believe you should move to faster equipment when you really feel the need, when attacking for example from 2 meters from the table and see you do not get the power you need. But still, keep in mind that you will be sacrificing other components of your game then and probably you should have developed by that time to a player that pushes rarely and flips and attacks in every possible chance with high percentages of success. I believe there are plenty of experienced players around this forum to give more advice on that. My opinion may be biased by my own experiences, abilities and style of play, but I have still encountered the same opinion among a few other people here. In short, I think the beginner's rubbers and blades mentioned in the couple of threads here are pretty good and the advice of experienced players and coaches around here should be followed to a big extend.     that brings me to think that beginners should use LPs. ;)   it fits all criteria : slow, doesn't react to opponents spin etc.   the point i am trying to make is that we have believed and trained like for years... doesn't hold good any more.   Chinese players are used to spinny tacky rubbers from the day they hold racquet. Do you thing china is not doing quite well?   it only helps them to understand what to expect and adjust from beginning. rather than learning 'english' to speak 'French'.

Actually, LPs might be pretty good to start playing with and continuing with it, look what happened to Deng Yaping that did that... So at least there, the point you were sarcastic about, I agree with you...!

Usually people walk before running. You have to understand that humans take some time to develop skills. I do not have an idea how Chinese champions are trained and what equipment they use and probably neither have you, but I would believe that they do not have super fast paddles when they start (and even later). Spin by the way is not the same as speed, please have a look at the arguments above.

In any case, I do not disagree that you can start with anything and adjust, I just believe that better progress can be made and higher level achieved by gradually advancing to faster equipment and only when there is a need, with the advantages of such a change overshadowing the disadvantages, which definitely exist. And I do not think everybody starts playing with well controlled flips and full swings 3 meters from the table, with excellent footwork and control of the racket angles, in order to utilize very fast equipment. But I could be wrong... Again, any experienced coach advice here would be very welcome.

RITC 2000 TACKSPEED

T h e N A M wrote: i will not recommend any tacky rubbers to beginners...

Neos Tacky is used by 9-12 year old kids all over Europe...