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Thylacine
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Hi Redoya!
Thank you very much for the Minoru Kohakura vs Kozi Suzuki match. They play impressive for their age.
Cheers
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Pongology
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Hi Redoya,
I didn't know Lippelt has a website. Do you have the web address? |
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1. There is a very good training video for choppers with Norio Takashima. I hope that one day BTY will allow uploading it for free to all. I am sure that Takahima himself will be happy to see that are thousands of interested players in learning his lessons.
2. If you have time read this interesting article about the Universal Library ("...the entire works of mankind ...available to all people...") published in The New York Times:
See also in Google about Creative Commons.
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I will try and go only if some local Chinese friend of mine will go with me - otherwise it's a bit too intimidating for me to go alone to the country where I can easily get lost without knowing language... Do they have a web site set up already for 2010? |
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Hi Pongology, Sandro, Theman, Thylacine,
I am very sorry for the delay. I was off for over a month.
1. Lippelt showed me his racket after the match. I haven't payed much attention to the brand of the blade. All I can remember is that it was a regular size wood, not a semi-large type used by choppers. In his homepage one can see that he (a long ago) was a German Champion in the 1.Bundesliga. He wrote a long report on his trip across Brazil, from the southern border from Argentina to the rain forrest in the Amazons.
2. I could not solve the problem with Megaupload. For this reason I uploaded again the match between Suzuki and Kohakura. But you can get it in the this site:
3. After watching the excellent videos of the Olympic Games, I am very interested in taking part in the next WVC in China. The organization was the best; notice that they used two extra cameras for close-ups of the contenders. I do not care being "skunked" by some veteran world champion ("there is honor in defeat"). Only the stock market meltdown made me poorer in terms of dollar.
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Thylacine
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Redoya,
I downloaded the first part but the players are some european shakehanders. Definitely not Kohakura and Suzuki.
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that slo mo was EXTREMELY helpful
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sandro
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Any videos with choppers in this thread?
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Pongology
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Hi Redoya,
Did you happen to get any other video of Dieter Lippelt? Also, did you happen to notice what blade he uses? |
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Pongology
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Another great post. Thank you so much!!!
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johnny89atc
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Wow many nice and useful videos!!!Thank you very much!!!
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FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
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Redoya
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FAKE LOOP:
1. Any veteran attacking player that has faced a solid blocker with a consistent pushing game knows how a strenuous and daunting task it can be. A full attack tactic can be suicidal.; he has to play smartly. One of the weapons is spin variation. What I will discuss here is called "fake loop" or "false topspin".
2. It is nor a new deceptive technique. Butterfly released in early 1980's a series of excellent instructional videos and one of them details How to Play a Chopper. The "fake loop" is explained and shown by former World Champion Shigeo Itoh and the defensive star Norio Takashima. (In another video the roles are reversed: Takahima set up an attack after a "fake chop".).
3. Using some free time during the Olympic games broadcast, I have assembled this short clip using the video of the match between Jun Mizutani and Kaii Yoshida in the All Japan 2008 Finals. Here it was used a ultra high speed digital camera and what seems to be a not exceptional match turns out being extremely instructive:
Jun Mizutani and Kaii Yoshida mpg 61mb
4. In Japan the no-spin or floating ball is called knuckle ball. This term probably stems from "knuckleball" used in the baseball and which means a ball thrown by the pitcher with little or no spin using his (greasy?) finger knuckles.
5. It is mentioned by the sportcaster in the video that some players "like Waldner" use often this kind of stroke and that it is now being used more in Japan. In 1999 the very successful former trainer of the Borussia Dusseldorf Club, the Croatian Mario Amizic was hired by Butterfly as sport director and by the Japan's TT Federation to train the young players. His opinion: "loops with maximized speed and little variation are typical of low class players". (How important are the replays and the timely comments of any video.)!
6. Amizic lives in Germany and the whole squadron of young Japanese boys had to settle in Dusseldorf, the city of a large Japanese community (and certainly schools). This metropolis was chosen as the location of the future modern DTTZ-Deutch TischtennisZentrum.. Amizic is seen in the WTTC 2008 videos standing next to Yoshihito Miyazaki, the Japanese men's head coach and former top player (penholder).
7. Mizutani is rated 2935. Soon or later the young athletes will be confronted with the same problem of Ai Fukuhara, now 19. At 17 she passed the competitive entrance examination of the Waseda University, which has the same prestige in Japan as the Harvard in the US, left the Chinese Super League and started attending in April 2007 the sport sciences College. Ai-chan even thought, according to his father, of dropping off from college during the intensive preparation for this Olympic games. A different path was chosen by Deng Yaping. She retired from TT at 24 and went back to school. After a master's degree from the University of Nottingham, she started a doctoral program in Economics at Cambridge (and worked in the Olympics Committee).
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@Redoya:
Thanks for the report of the 2008 World Veterans Videos in Rio . It was nice to see it as well as the the old friend Mr.Zoran Kalinic from Serbia. Regards, Borko&Son ***Power is Nothing Without Control*** |
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Terrific! Thank you so much! |
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Some answers:
1. I cannot recall all the pimpled rubbers that I have seen. There are many that I never heard before.
2. The majority of veteran players seem to use pimpled rubbers. And they are average club players. In the knock out phase, in the succeeding rounds, the number tapers down and the remaining one are all players from the professional leagues; most of them are attackers with inverted rubbers. Biriba, 63, the best Brazilian veteran use norma Sriver 1.9.
3. In the warm-up table, a 77-year old gave me hard time. He is a penholder, glued to the table, using a BTY Super-anti, blocked all my balls to wide angles using only his bodywork. A hard hit ball was returned fast far from my reach. He explained that he owns a TT Training Center and is used to play against young players and that by observing the footwork of the opponent he knows how to jam him.
4. Theresia Foldy is 62; No info about Takahashi. They are slender and in good form. In long matches between an attacker and a chopper, the attacker usually get tired ealier but it was not the case here.
5. A common side talk topic among veterans is exchange of recipes for good health. Today everyone is well informed how the lifestype can affect the longevity and how important are healthy food and physical activity.
6. Dickie Fleisher is a famous harpist and table tennis player from Florida; he's rated 2547 and I think that he uses a TSP curl long pips in the forehand. Unfortunately I never have seen any video of him. Is Richard his real name?
7. I do not have the video requested by pual
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Redoya
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1. I have uploaded the match:
ws 40+ Tatiana Kulieva ( Russia) vs Karin Kruse (Denmark)
2. Some other women matches (glimpses):
3. Unfortunately I had only one spare battery and was trying to shoot very sparingly to save for more important matches. I had no connection to the organizers and was allowed to move solely along the edge of the outermost line of barriers.
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grubbafan
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Awesome video collection, Redoya! Thank you for sharing 'em with us!
Btw, do you by any chance have the video for the Mens' Doubles 60-64 Finals? |
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JimT
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Redoya, thanks again for the videos!
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Pongology
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Hi Redoya,
Thank you so much for all the links. Great stuff. Do you happen to know what blade and rubbers were used by Wolfgang Schmidt, who won the 65+ division in Rio? Also, have you ever seen video of Florida pip player Dickie Fleisher anywhere? |
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Redoya
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1. Not only veteran players use long pips. As an example of the other end of age spectrum, I should mention two young players that are well-known in Europe.
2. Amelie Solja (pronounced zoh-lee-ah), rated 2436, is #1 in the European Junior Girls Ranking. In the last December 2007 World Junior Championship in Palo Alto, Cal, she, at age 16, upset the first seeded chinese player Li Xiodan in the semifinals. Amelie has been playing with Joola Drum 1.8 in the FH and Joola Fakir OX in the BH. As Fakir is in the banned list, she is trying several new rubber, among them Joola Shark (she is Joola sponsored). Last month (July 2008), in a dramatic battle she missed a match point and ended as vice-champion in the 2008 European Junior Championship (source DTTB). Videos of Amelie Solja matches (source: ttlive.tv, broadcast live)
Amelie Solja vs Malin Petterson flv 158 mb
Amelie Solja vs Monika Molnar flv 130 mb
and another from youtube
Unlike Deng Yaping that was a forehand attacker, Amelie centers her game on the backhand, delivering long punches altered with loose balls.
3. Fabian Akerstrom, the young swede profiled here
and shown in this video
He is training in China and will be soon playing in the Germany's 2.Bundesliga (source NoppenTest.de). It is mentioned that he was using Hallmark Original and is now testing Donic Akkadi L2.
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Redoya
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1. I had no previous experience in playing against long pips and my performance was very poor in the tournament. It was the first time that i had exchanged shots with frictionless pips and a twiddling combination racket player. In the fourth set of my last match I was leading 7 to 3 and lost 7 to 11. The reason: I got mentally exhausted trying to ajust my strokes constantly.
2. Here is a video of Carl Prean showing his skill in racket twiddling (source: Lucioping website):
Carl Prean playing with pimples avi 27 mb
3. To an unexperienced spectator, a pimpled rubber match may seem a basement pingpong. The fine details and the mental struggle involved in the game are not always evident. Here is a short clip ot the Finals of the 75+ category:
MS 75 final Fred Lockwood vs Stepan Stepanov mpg 65 mb
4. As I train with a newgy, which I love, but has the limitation of not being able to produce no-spin balls, I am considering setting up a return board like this one
I would like to get a new robot like Prakttismate.
4. There is an interesting video that teaches how to twiddle the racket:
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Redoya
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I will try to answer all the questions.
First I would like to add some comments of pimpled rubbers
1. In veteran's games, europeans have a clear advantage over north, central and south americans: they have a vast experience with pimpled rubbers. They have knowledge to use them technically, tactically and how to play against them.
2. The most successfull player in the WVC's is probably Herbert Neubauer, with a total of 7 golds in singles and doubles. In Rio he used his own material (of course), Leopard 1.5 (short pips) in the FH, Super Block OX (long pips) in the BH and High Tech Plus as the blade.
3. Doktor Neubauer participated in the 2006 US Open in Charlotte, NC, with good results: gold in the 60+ and 50+ and silver in the 40+ and 30+ categories. In the 60+ he defeated George Braithwaite 3 x 0 (5,2,6).
4. Several video clips of Neubauer are available in the Youtube:
From his first dvd
from his second dvd with new rubbers
A short clip of Herbert playing in the Swiss National Liga (available in the Web)
5. According to his website, Neubauer, a former Germany's 1.Bundesliga player, has a collection of 58 gold medals in the Swiss Championships (he was a German Diplomat in Switzerland).
6. Another German expert in long pips that was in Rio is Manfred Grumbach, former professional player, trainer (SSV Reutlingen) and author of several articles, books and seminars.
7. The biggest winner in Singles (not in doubles) is the Chinese Liang Geliang with 5 golds. He was 6 times WTTC champion and having lived for nealy two decades in Germany has lots of experience in the european style of play. Here's a video of young Liang training
Liang Geliang training video 138 mb rm
Notice his versatility and agility. It is said that the changes his rubber several times during a tournament, combining different sponges and top sheets. He is considered an allround or material player, but he chops like a chopper.
8. A little off-topic, but I cannot help mentioning the Rematch commemorating the 37th year (in June 2008) of the famous Ping Pong Diplomacy, widely covered by the american press, from NY Time to Fox News. The high point of the event in California was the match between George Braithwaite and Liang Geliang. It is true that Liang is many years his junior. Certainly China will invited George for the next WVC, but as he will be playing in the 75+ category no re-rematch can be expected. George is currently rated 2140 but probably his real level his higher. I played with him a couple of year ago at the NYTTF and, needless to say, I was mercilessly beaten. He is an orthodox player with inverted on both sides but with an extraordinary fitness (and poised manners).
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JimT
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Still cannot get that Kulieva vs Kruse video! Redoya, can you help? |
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Do you have the game next to the table 19 ?when DING TI is playing ,the chinese with and european.Thanks
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The second video - Kulieva vs Kruse - is consistently unavailable for the last 2-3 days... could anyone help? |
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Can't believe they are 60+ years old! They are in terrific shape! |
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Pongology
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These are great. Thank you for uploading. Can you give a quick rundown on which players are using long pips or anti?
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As suggested, the complete list of videos:
1. MS 40 Final Ding Yi vs Carsten Egeholt 241MB
2. MS 40 SF Ding Yi vs Alexander Savelyev 965MB
3. MS 40 QF Ding Yi vs Traian Ciociu 558MB
4. MS 40 QF Alexander Savelyev vs Colum Slevin 147MB
5. MS 40 Consolation Final 192MB
6. MS 50 Consolation Final 408MB
7. MS 60 Final Jaroslav Kunz vs Niels Ramberg 230MB
8. MS 60 SF Niels Ramberg vs Milos Matejicek 168MB
9. MS 70 Final Dieter Lippelt vs Josef Rakosnik 1194MB
10. MD 65 Final Neubauer/Schmidt vs Le/Kraf 186MB
11. Men's Doubles Flashes 138MB
12. Contrast 30MB
13. MS 70 Consolation Final Minoru Kohakura vs Kozi Suzuki 668MB
14. Award Ceremony and Photos 611MB
15. Practice Sessions 797MB
Software: Ulead Video Studio 11, Photoshop Elements 5
Camera: JVC Camcorder GZ-MG37U
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Women's singles 60+ semifinals
Kuniko Takahashi (Japan) vs Theresia Foldy (Switzerlamd)
1. Takahashi's excellent physical fitness guarantees her victory inthis very long match (edited). Soon latter she wins gold defeating compatriot Etsuko Iseki with 3 x 0 (3,5,9).
2. T. Foldy, two times Swiss National Champion, is here coached by her husband Laszlo Foldy. He is one of the founding member of the Swaythling Club and has played in several WTTC's as a hungarian sportler and later as Swiss trainer. In Rio he played in the 70+ category. Theresia is silver in doubles with partner Jamila Hummelova (Czech) losing to Japanese Double Kamiko Tomiyama/Masako Fukushima.
Women's singles 40+ semifinals
Tatiana Kulieva (Russia vs Karin Kruse (Denmark)
Many choppers in the female contingent.
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Please, correct me if I am wrong:
1. Romania is the birth place of Andreas Fejer, T. Ciociu, K. Kreanga, Olga Nemes, Georg Bohm,... Known in the past by its famous ruler Prince Vlad, now is in the news by the thriving economy.
2. The Aussie with the odd name Le Van Ihn, finalist in the 65+ doubles, was a top athlete in Vietnam.
3. A German site (tischtennis.de) lists the Bundesliga players for the coming season: 1st division:Kim Kyung Ah, Park Mi Young, Chuang Chih Yuan, Jun Hye Kyung, Georgina Pota, Kenta Matsudaira; 3rd division: Hugo Hanashiro (2008 Brazilian Nikkei champion).
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