Europe Top 12

tt-video wrote: Please tell me how to open this file: Ovtcharov vs. Maze  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LMT9Z7PA European top 12 Ovtcharov vs Maze.ivr (40 MB only)? What is .ivr?

Please tell me how to open this file:
Ovtcharov vs. Maze  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LMT9Z7PA

European top 12 Ovtcharov vs Maze.ivr (40 MB only)?
What is .ivr?

sprite wrote: I guess some people can't get it, even when an emoticon is used. I did mean that it was not any of stan1551's business.  The intent is that takaaki is making a pointless argument, with no purpose other than to continue the argument and get the last word.  I would delete my posts, but this is impossible and would not be satisfactory because others have quoted me in their posts.  I guess you're stuck with it.  Too bad some of you did not consider your own impact on a group of people.

me too....lol

edit: unless they play table tennis...lol

Yes, I am going to be the next prime minister of Canada...lol

alfas wrote: Kreanga vs. Maze  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CISFL8EF Boll vs. Samsonov http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KJB1RQ7I Ovcarov vs. Maze  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LMT9Z7PA Samara vs. Pavlovich http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4SAAU7LQ   Bon Apetit

rustyfo what do you mean with "was the maze vs kreanga match well played?" 1. Is it an iteresting match?

sprite wrote: stan1551 wrote: Gents (and/or ladies? ) Let's not go personal and trade insults. This does not do the forum any good. Everybody has a different opinion. In most cases we all just speculate since we don't really know the truth. Let's respect each other and just exchange our personal opinions. Mind your own business, stan1551.  I have not said one thing that is not my personal opinion.

oh but it is the business of stan1551, in fact its the business of everyone as this whole forum is meant to support each other, debate and discuss points which they are/arent valid, and in this case, stan thinks sprite had made some insults.

if anyone is making a claim towards another person's post, please provide evidence, quote or something, so that the person being accused will better explain/defend himself.

posts without backed up evidence isnt doing anybody service.

remember this is a public forum, so people will still be looking at this europe top 12 thread for more videos, both taki and sprite are making an impact on a group of people. Please discuss ideas with respect and integrity, no need to go personal.

sprite wrote: stan1551 wrote: Gents (and/or ladies? ) Let's not go personal and trade insults. This does not do the forum any good. Everybody has a different opinion. In most cases we all just speculate since we don't really know the truth. Let's respect each other and just exchange our personal opinions. Mind your own business, stan1551.� I have not said one thing that is not my personal opinion.

You are lucky I am not a MOD, my friend. If I was you would already got a warning. I don't think your behavior is appropriate at all. One thing is to express your opinion and another is to insult people. If you can't tell a difference - you don't belong to the forum.

bbkon wrote: sprite wrote: Why doesn't Boll manage to find liqin's middle, what you call a gap? Why does every chinese player with the exception of kong always find Sami's middle. Why don't many other players manage to find Sami's middle? Because when you get to a certain level, tactics alone are not enough. Tactics without power are not enough to consistently win against players like Sami, Boll, the top Chinese. Boll and Sami can use all the tactics they wish, and they will seldom defeat the Chinese because they do not have the power to finish a point when needed. Apple defeated Dima because Dima was a nervous wreck, anyone who doesn't see that must be oblivious. Are you related to bbkon? You think just like him, one track mind, you just use more words. � am i onetrack minded?� why

Gents (and/or ladies? )
Let's not go personal and trade insults. This does not do the forum any good. Everybody has a different opinion. In most cases we all just speculate since we don't really know the truth. Let's respect each other and just exchange our personal opinions.

sprite wrote: Why doesn't Boll manage to find liqin's middle, what you call a gap? Why does every chinese player with the exception of kong always find Sami's middle. Why don't many other players manage to find Sami's middle? Because when you get to a certain level, tactics alone are not enough. Tactics without power are not enough to consistently win against players like Sami, Boll, the top Chinese. Boll and Sami can use all the tactics they wish, and they will seldom defeat the Chinese because they do not have the power to finish a point when needed. Apple defeated Dima because Dima was a nervous wreck, anyone who doesn't see that must be oblivious. Are you related to bbkon? You think just like him, one track mind, you just use more words.

tactics, my friend, is everything.  power will not help you if you don't know what to do.  if you don't know where the next ball is gonna land, or what spin is on the ball, or how much spin is on the ball, then there's NOTHING you can do and the game is over!!

samsonov did NOT lose to boll due to a lack of power.  he lost cuz of tactics.  boll kept the ball to samsonov's middle, well, what i call the "gap," y'know, that space btw fh and bh.

well, that varies from person to person, but, in general, the longer the arms, the bigger the gap.

to keep samsonov honest, he hit a few balls out wide to the fh, but most of the "kill shots" were into vladi's body.

at the beginning of the match, vladi was ready for that and bh-ripped the balls out wide to boll's fh for winners, but boll started mixing the placement and vladi tightened up (which, i concede, could have been due to fatigue, as someone stated above) and forgot what won him those 3 sets.

but also, he shoulda took a page out of wlq's book.

look at the game boll & wlq played at the tourney of champs last month.

wlq inside-out-ripped the ball out wide to boll's bh and the ball just spinned off boll's racket.

now how did that happen??  why didn't boll just "power" the ball back??  he has enough power, does he not? 

the ball spinned off his racket, cuz he had the wrong racket angle. 

now, why did he have the wrong racket angle??  cuz he didn't anticipate the shot.

why didn't he anticipate the shot??  cuz he hadn't practiced against it.  if you don't do it in practice, then you're not gonna do it in the game.

now, how did wang come to hit that shot??  did it just come out of nowhere??  was it just luck??  no, that kind of precision doesn't come outta nowhere nor from luck.  it was a plan.  it was TACTICS.

there is nothing else, but tactics. 

take a look at the appelgren-dima match again.  appelgren is obviously an old guy and is not fit enough to beat dima in a counterlooping exchange.  so, what did he do??  he basically, as best as he could, took the counterlooping out of the game.

there really weren't many counterlooping rallies, at least not enough to benefit dima. 

why??  again, tactics!! there's no way around it...

but, there may have been another reason for dima's loss...  i can  speak a little german and i noticed that in the post-game interview, appelgren was quick to point out that this was NOT the 1st time he had beaten dima.  he beat him a long time ago when he was a kid (i can't remember now, but i think he said it was something like 10 years ago).

well, somebody said in the energis masters thread that he heard dima was extremely nervous when he first found out he was gonna have to play appel.

maybe appel beat the crap out of him a zillion years ago and, y'know, when ya beat the crap out of a kid, they never get over it...

sprite wrote: stan1551 wrote: Dima's problem may be just psychological. For sure - not luck of fitness at his age. If you recall - much younger Ma Lin loosing to 40 years old Waldner at 2004 Olympics. Once in a blue moon anything could happen. For Vladi - it looks more like a pattern lately. Yes, Dima's trouble is psychological and he probably will overcome it with more experience. But I do not believe that Vladi's problem is due to age related endurance or stamina issues, this was the point of my post. The 9 years older Persson won against younger players as well as Vladi in 7 game matches. Vladi's problem is lack of power, imo. This allows players the opportunity to change tactics and eliminate whatever advantage Vladi is exploiting. He uses even less power than Timo. Power is more important now than ever.

power is not the ultimate key to victory as some of you younger people might assume.

dima lost to 2 old swedes lately, persson and appelgren.  did he lose those matches due to a lack of power??

if anything, it was a lack of mental power, not physical. 

at that level, the game is quite cerebral.  you WILL lose if, for any reason, you are unable to anticipate your opponent's next move and (or) get your body (arm, hand, racket) into position for the next ball.  just having big muscles won't help one iota, if you don't a clue as to what to do with them!!

whether or not he's stronger than persson is debatable, but dima is clearly stronger than appelgren, yet the old guy beat him anyway.

sprite wrote: stan1551 wrote: Dima's problem may be just psychological. For sure - not luck of fitness at his age. If you recall - much younger Ma Lin loosing to 40 years old Waldner at 2004 Olympics. Once in a blue moon anything could happen. For Vladi - it looks more like a pattern lately. Yes, Dima's trouble is psychological and he probably will overcome it with more experience. But I do not believe that Vladi's problem is due to age related endurance or stamina issues, this was the point of my post. The 9 years older Persson won against younger players as well as Vladi in 7 game matches. Vladi's problem is lack of power, imo. This allows players the opportunity to change tactics and eliminate whatever advantage Vladi is exploiting. He uses even less power than Timo. Power is more important now than ever.

I agree. You have a point. The reason I think it may be related to fitness (or luck of) and/or age - is when I was watching the match - it was so clear how easy Vladi won first 2 sets, there was no contest, then next 3 sets Boll gradually but steadily bounced back and the last 2 sets looked like Vladi just did not have the power at all....like he did not even believed himself - he can possibly win... But he had the power for the first 2 sets, did not he? I can feel his pain as being old man myself....

alfas wrote: Kreanga vs. Maze  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CISFL8EF Boll vs. Samsonov http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KJB1RQ7I Ovcarov vs. Maze  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LMT9Z7PA Samara vs. Pavlovich http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4SAAU7LQ   Bon Apetit

Thanks much, my friend!