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pingpongrob
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Boz, your wrong, My arguements are not Wrong. I personally quite like the feel of T64, this is not the issue. The issue is when another forum member states that my opinion is flawed because I'm a dealer. Thats what get my beef up. You pulling my statements apart I couldnt care less, One day well meet and I'll be using something other than Tenergy, and well have it out then. Yesterday I used Acuda S2 & Hexer+, Tomorrow will be another story. And My thoughts on T05 Versus T64 - My vote goues to T64 by a long shot, maybe its to fast for some, But the Spin/Speed ratio is more similar to the good old Speed glue days. Thats of course without the Booster |
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I think that between similar rubbers, the softer has better speed glue effect.
I agree with Rob that T64 is closer to a speed glued rubber than T05. Maybe because T64 is softer than T05. I'm NOT saying that T64 is better than T05, the glue effect is better. On Stiga Boost series (and Cornilleau Pilot rubbers), it happens the same thing. The softer the rubber the better speed glue effect it has. On ESN rubbers, I feel the same thing. |
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Fair enough. It's just me thinking "My goodness this guy, isn't there any better marketing strategy than this seemingly desperate attempt". They're not a sort of charity body BTY is so it's fairly understood why they play the 'sponsoring' or 'branding a name' tactics. It's better than saying "I want your money in trade of this rubbery sponge or wood things which could brings you the illusion of being happy". |
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peter79
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I 've used T05, T64 and Hexer.
For Spin T05 requires no effort to generate spin. Hexer if you hit it correctly it can produce spin like T05 T64 has the less spin among those 3 rubbers and it's the fastest among them. |
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TSuBaSa
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Both t64 and 05 are spinnier than hexer thats for sure. But hexer's throw angle is higher than t64 thats why some guys says hexer is spinnier.
t64 is very good for loop-hit-block game. Plays like a bryce with speed glue.
But t05 is awesome for brush loop but not that good for hit&block kind of game. So 64 is a better allrounder.
t64 topsheet got less pimples so its a bit louder than 05.
I'm a both wing looper but I do block and hit a lot(and lob too) so t64 is better for me. But there is a lot of "loop every thing" kind of guys out there and t05 is better for them. Especially with low throw angle blades like alc-spirit t05 is a loop machine. If you play like timo boll, C. Süss, smirnov(brushers) go with the 05 bu if you play like samsonov, waldner or ovtcharov than t64 is better for you.
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And Stavros, I also agree that the softer ESN rubbers although they feel like they are more glued they dont have that top end penetrating power that speed glue used to. Top players with fast arm speed prefer the harder sponged variety - these also tend to last longer. Sometimes for Mortals like myself rubbers like T64, Hexer+ Roxon 450 actually perform better than T05 or Hexer. |
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From your signiture it obvious you use T64, and thats why you think its spinnier than Hexer. But you are wrong about the throw angles. T05 & Hexer have very similar throw angles - which I think are way to high, and T64 & Hexer + have lower throw angles and similar to each other. |
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I'm saying that hexers throw angle is higher than t64 and you're saying the same thing? and I'm wrong? wtf???
And your proof about that I'm being wrong is my signature? I'm using t64 because its spinnier...
I've played with both on the same blade(black hexer on one side red t64 on the other) and t64 was spinnier(t64 bites the ball better than hexer on service, push and openning topspins).
If you think hexer is spinnier thats ok thats your idea
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I actually rediscovering T64 after trying a few routes with other rubbers. I can't say it's a perfect rubber for my style but back then I delivered something shocking with T64. I dare say this, it's easier getting T64 with all its menace than trying to haggle for Ma Long's Hurricane.
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Disagree. i get the same amount of spin from 64 and 05, just different throw angle. Hexer definately wasn't as spinny as either. |
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Edited by APW46 - 08/13/2010 at 5:30pm |
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pingpongrob
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Its not Silly, Boz plays better with T05 (he's tried so many), And I play better with Tensors (I've tried many and will continue to try due to my Job). Of course the better hand will win, but if we are of the same level, then our rubbers will give us an edge. You yourself made the claim that T05 is the best you have ever used, therefore it must give you some advantage - is it 1 point or 2. |
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Maybe you just cant get the full capabilities out of the 2 rubbers. Butterfly spent 10 years developing the Tenergy range (), Tenergy 64 is the fastest and less spinniest Speed 13.5, Spin 10.5 Mind you only just spinnier than Tackiness Chop, at double the price. Tenergy 05 is the spinniest. Speed 13, Spin 11.5 |
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thanks for the ear to the ground update about the butterfly readings Rob.
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^that's what is sad about the old days compared to now. That's exactly what it was like.. find anything with a decent topsheet and whatever sponge and it would play better than 60 dollar rubbers do now if you put some speedglue in the mix.
15 dollar rubber plus glue > tenergy 05
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Unless you compete frequently, I suppose there's no reason to stop gluing. And even then... if one feels strongly enough that the ban is unjust or unnecessary... Well, let's just say that the line between "defiance in the face of tyranny" and "cheating" is a fuzzy one. |
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See this is what I mean, 15 dollar rubber + Glue did not feel anything like Tenergy 05, Tenergy 05 does not have that explosiveness of the sponge, maybe some of the spin. Maybe its because we all glued differently, I was a 3 layer gluer, maybe with one layer it felt the same as Tenergy 05. |
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I don't believe that also ppr please prove me wrong, I'll pm you my address! Edited by prott.co.uk - 08/14/2010 at 6:46pm |
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And if my memory recalls me correctly, when you first recieved it, you yourself was impressed with the speedglue effect. Of course now you have found one that you think is even better - Thats your opinion, and I respect that, but you should also respect that to me Tenergy 05 feels nothing like a speed glued Inspirit, Bryce FX or Coppa. |
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how come a company can invest$ and 10 years(i dont believe it ) to develop a product they dont know it can be sold
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Yes exactly my thoughts - Just plain good Marketing. |
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I've just cut a new sheet of Tenergy 64, package weight 92 gr, uncut weight 67 gr, Cut into Viscaria head size is 46 gr. My old one is 2 gr lighter.
When I use the old one, it feels mushy. The new one is harder and much better feel. I use Latex Waterbase glue similar to Haifu, but thicker. I use 4 layers on the rubber and 1 thick layer on the blade. It's the same hardness as Gold Arc 37 deg with 1 layer on sponge and 1 layer on blade. No Wonder ZJK like T64, probably he get densier/heavier one, which is not mushy. I will try to play with it and let's see how it plays compared to gold arc and Tin Arc. |
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Any new review tenergy 64 with plastic balls? :)
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