petermoo reviews Andro Hexer (sort of)

bozbrisvegas wrote: Yea I think Hexer because it is softer and lower throw will suit a softer blade - but I think the already lower amount of speed will be problematic for people who like to win points away from the table.

Boz, I can assure you that Hexer prefers a stiffer/faster blade to perform at its best.

@Petermoo
what do you like most? tenergy, hexer, or donic baracuda?

pingpongrob wrote: bozbrisvegas wrote: Yea I think Hexer because it is softer and lower throw will suit a softer blade - but I think the already lower amount of speed will be problematic for people who like to win points away from the table.     Boz, I can assure you that Hexer prefers a stiffer/faster blade to perform at its best.

Thanks Rob, I know that it would be too slow on a slower blade but every time I get a softer rubber it feels better on a softer blade.

Speedplay wrote: bozbrisvegas wrote: Yes I did start to adjust to the lack of surface grip, but all the opponents that I played which are all people I have played for the last 5 years said the same thing and confirmed the same thing I felt in the rubber.   They very easily get the ball back and from my end the window of what you can attack is much much smaller. I've often seen comments like this when people try to praise a rubber or disclaim a rubber, but my question is, why on earth do they have more problem blocking something that is more or less spiny? I simple don't get it, cause if you hit a very spiny loop, then I correct my blocking angle for that, so if people were used to your mega spiny Tenergy loops, then they should struggle against your Hexer loops, since they should block those in to the net due to the lack of spin on them. What creates problem in the blocking department is the variation in speed rather then the amount of spin, so please explain this to me, why is it more difficult to block the Tenergy loop then it is to block the Hexer loop???

It's the penetration of the shot, that makes a ball hard to return. Any half decent player can adjust to the spin of a shot after one mistake. That's assuming that they misread the amount of spin.

I'm fairly comfortable blocking boz off the table when he uses hexer. He just can't hurt me with it. I'm definitely more scared when he uses tenergy.

Fruit loop wrote: Speedplay wrote: bozbrisvegas wrote: Yes I did start to adjust to the lack of surface grip, but all the opponents that I played which are all people I have played for the last 5 years said the same thing and confirmed the same thing I felt in the rubber.   They very easily get the ball back and from my end the window of what you can attack is much much smaller. I've often seen comments like this when people try to praise a rubber or disclaim a rubber, but my question is, why on earth do they have more problem blocking something that is more or less spiny? I simple don't get it, cause if you hit a very spiny loop, then I correct my blocking angle for that, so if people were used to your mega spiny Tenergy loops, then they should struggle against your Hexer loops, since they should block those in to the net due to the lack of spin on them. What creates problem in the blocking department is the variation in speed rather then the amount of spin, so please explain this to me, why is it more difficult to block the Tenergy loop then it is to block the Hexer loop??? It's the penetration of the shot, that makes a ball hard to return. Any half decent player can adjust to the spin of a shot after one mistake. That's assuming that they misread the amount of spin. I'm fairly comfortable blocking boz off the table when he uses hexer. He just can't hurt me with it. I'm definitely more scared when he uses tenergy.

bozbrisvegas wrote: Bob keep the posts clean of your homosexual overtones if you don't want to start a flame war,

Personally, i think Rob's comment was comic genious!

bozbrisvegas wrote: You can block anything, with the right angle, touch and being used to your equipment. But somethings that come flying at you are harder the block than others. The incoming Hexer loop plays with spin and speed much closer to what the majority of players are used to and you must be ready to loop again more often than not. I believe as speedplay does I'm sure, that having 2 contrasting amounts of spin and speed coming in will be even harder.   This was the main reason I used solcion for a while. But there is the other point that I think fruit said to me in the past.   That you don't use the same technique with the same rubber on your backhand and your forehand so there is no real need to have 2 different rubbers.

Now we are beginning to get close to reaching an agreement

I'm willing to buy the argument that Tenergy carries more spin, this making it initially harder to block against, but as stated before, this will only be valid for a short period of time, and seeing the popularity of Tenergy, people will soon get used to the spin.

2 contrasting rubbers is a good idea, not only because the variation in spin, but also because of what you point out your self, most people have different technique on fh vs bh and this is why I think most people would benefit from using different rubbers, cause a rubber that might be perfect for your fh might not suit your bh at all.

Fruitloop, I'm sorry but I don't understand the penetration part you mention, but as far as I understand, this is affected by both speed and spin and this comes to affect regardless of what rubber you are using. Another reason you might find it harder to play Boz when he uses Tenergy is that he is (probably) used to this rubber and feel comfortable with it, while he might not yet have found this confidence in his use of Hexer.

Note, I'm not claiming that one rubber is better then the other, it all comes down to different preferences, what I don't like is when people make claims to have gained several levels in play merely by shifting to a different rubber. Unless the new rubber is an LP, cause we all know that LP rubbers makes our level sky rocket away with out any practice

Yes, the LP part was a joke, since I've switched from LP to anti, I try to bag LP when ever I get the chance =)

As for your claim, I'm not going to call you a liar, I see no reason for you to lie about this, but we might have a different perception of what a level is? To me, a level is a huge gap, not someone who you lose to 8 out of 10 times, but a player that is a level higher then you is a player who beats you 10 out of 10 times. So, to gain a level, and some times people have claimed they have gained several levels, due to changing rubber is a bit unrealistic. How ever, if your view of a level is different, then you might have gained a level with the change, giving you the edge in close matches.

bozbrisvegas wrote: debraj wrote: boz... not just you i feel the same when moving from tenergy to hexer... and same again while changing from hexer to tenergy....likewise. Don't comment after 5 hours... at least 2-3 weeks as i had mentioned. after that - if you don't have problems in looping with tenergy, - if you don't feel tenergy (05) is speed deficient in away from table loops; i would seriously question my capability to review a rubber. but 2-3 weeks at least to mold your game to a higher hold time rubber... requiring different hand speed and stroke. sorry Debraj I think I'm missing what you are refering to. � feel the same way about what exactly when changing backwards forwards? � And what do you mean don't comment after 5 hours? Are you talking about an inability to give a review of�Hexer after using it for that long? � What do you mean about seriously questioning my capability to review if I don't have problems with tenergy? � Today was my third day with the Hexer and my feelings about it have barely changed from the first 5 minutes of using it. � Yes I did start to adjust to the lack of surface grip, but all the opponents that I played which are all people I have played for the last 5 years said the same thing and confirmed the same thing I felt in the rubber. � They very easily get the ball back and from my end the window of what you can attack is much much smaller.

you didn't get my tone, mate!!.. and not even reading it right. i said if "my capability to review" ... not yours. i mean unless my is you in australian ;)

all i said is i also had terrible feeling shifting either way. apparently it feels oh.. i have adjusted pretty quick.... but in a game in pressure situation... you can't open loops or your hands get stiff etc... that's why i said use the hexer for 5 days and then you might change your opinion about speed on loops etc.

its a personal thing... i would have loved if Hexer's sponge was a little harder and marginally less dwell.