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NEXY Reviews: the COLOR blade (FL) |
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APW46
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Well no I don't want to oppose your view, its yours. I always stand by my principles though as explained above. It is easy to compare a blade with another make/style and make judgements about performance, which is a quite valid thing to do. If however you take one blade of your choice, and rate the three components of previously mentioned performance (Speed/dwell/touch) against the different modes of production (all-, all+, OFF, OFF+ ) you will see my point. Dwell/touch, NEVER increase in line with speed. That is not so suggest that there is not overlaps of these properties between different manufacturers ratings and personal experience, But to go back to the requests directed at Mr Moon, ie 'can you increase Dwell and speed' I'm sure he would like to tell you he can.... but that would also suggest that if he made a blade with less speed, it would have less dwell, if not why not? there is always a correlation between speed and dwell.
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anubhav1984
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I just want a blade with the same dwell as that of Color but with some more speed! Not too much to ask for is it? And yeah, i would never say that dwell increases linearly with the speed of the blade. It is just that there are certain blades from certain makers that have very good speed and amazing dwell. I just love that deadly combo. That is why i am liking my K-5 so much. But i still wished it to be a bit faster and have a bit more dwell than it has right now, which is much lower than Color.
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Butterfly Viscaria FL
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APW46
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This is where we disagree, maybe your interperetation of 'dwell' is different to mine;
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I thought you identified the amultart as that perfect magical blade that you are seeking -one that provides the Karmic balance. get the amultart already..should be no need to look any further. lol |
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Peter C
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Anubhav1984
The Color was developed from the Dexter and it was designed to create a better balance between spin and speed, for a different type of player; hence Nexy's comment about the Color being more harmonised, than the Dexter. The Dexter is 6.8mm thick, using the same woods as the Color; however the thicker ayous centre ply and thinner Hinoki outer plies, means the Dexter is stiffer and faster, with less dwell time, compared to the Color and is designed primarily for a player who is a hitter, blocker and smasher. It will still be a good choice for mid distance looping and loop driving, but the lower dwell time means it won't be as easy to generate spin with, as the Color. In contrast the Color is 6.3mm thick, which makes it a fairly stiff blade, but with a bit of flex. The construction has also changed with thicker Hinoki plies, which play a more prominent role, than the thinner outer plies of the Dexter and it has a thinner Ayous centre ply, too. Hinoki has a soft feel when playing slow shots and some spring, which gives the blade a lively feel when you hit harder. It's the thicker Hinoki plies of the Color, in combination with the Spruce inner plies and Ayous core, that gives this blade better dwell time, than the Dexter and most blades in it's speed class, too. The Color is an offensive minus blade, with very good dwell time and designed for the allround/offensive player, who wants a versatile blade, to outwit their opponents with variations of speed, spin and placement. Regarding changing the Color to have "more dwell and speed", I disagree with you on that one, because Nexy made a number of prototypes, that were tested over 18 months, to find the right balance between Speed/ Dwell/touch and in my opinion he has achieved that. The attention to detail in the research and development stage, have produced a blade that felt right, from the first few minutes of playing with it and will appeal to a wide range of players. I used one word in my review of the Color, to describe what I think makes this blade stand out, which was Synergy, i.e. "the whole is greater, than the sum of the parts". APW46 is also referring to synergy, when he wrote "it is possible to get the balance of Speed/Dwell/touch just right from the perception of some players, and the most successful blades, get this feel right for more players than the less successful blades." ________________________________________________ p.s. I haven't actually played with the Dexter, but through my correspondence with Nexy and my experience with other wooden blades around 6.8mm thick, like the Clipper Wood and Mazunov, as well Hinoki blades like the ishlion, Color and Oscar, I have a rough idea of how I would expect this blade to play. |
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Jolan
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yeah, I ended to the same conclusion. If I want a faster combo with "color", i'll just have to stick some faster rubbers than my xtend. I should be fixed by sunday when I'll try it with a max thickness rubber. The blade is just perfect as it is. No need for modification.
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anubhav1984
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Peter C
I totally agree with you. I also believe that Color is destined to be a LEGEND. It will be counted with the likes of Allround Classic, OC and et al.
But for me it is the inherent need for speed that drives me to believe that a blade with a faster speed and exact same dwell can be made.
For Nexy it is like taking up a challenge. I guess he wanted to develop something in the OFF- category when he set out to make Color.
If he wants, i believe, he should be able to create something exactly same as to what i am referring to. A more faster Color!
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Butterfly Viscaria FL
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anubhav1984
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I guess people are thinking that i want some kind of modification in Color.
That is definitely not the case.
All i want is, another blade to be made, with a bit faster speed.
I feel Color will find its entry in the Hall of Fame book for sure.
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Butterfly Viscaria FL
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JimT
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Let me add a bit to this interesting discussion.
1) First off, I again concur that Color is an extremely well designed blade. One thing that stands out (and Mr. Moon mentioned that he specifically spent a lot of time on that) is its overall weight balance. My Color is 93 grams heavy but it feels to me lighter (no kidding) than my 88 g V-6 and my 86 g Darker. 2. Now about dwell against speed. Generally some of you are right when saying that when speed goes up, dwell goes down. But that is only true when we are talking about all other things being equal. They don't have to be - blades can be made of different materials, using composites, different number of plies with different flexibility etc. So it is not illogical to have a blade X which is both faster and dwellier than blade Y. As an example, let's say blade Y is made of one rather thin (8 mm) ply of Koto wood. Then it will be slow (thin!) and inflexible with bad dwell time since Koto is relatively hard. Now take X to be Color or Btfy Viscaria - they are both faster than blade Y and certainly have more dwell time due to their flexibility and also because of the relative softness of their outer plies. Anubhav - if all you require from Color is some extra speed then all you really need is to provide it yourself. That's the best way to go. "Color" is certainly at least an OFF- blade (I don't feel it being ALL+) and I don't think Nexy should push it up the speed ladder - then it will become a different blade with a slightly different balance etc. No need for that - OFF- is an extremely popular class of blades and Color will be well positioned there. 3. Finally - a very important marketing note Since this is an extremely new blade on a new brand I should say this and I hope that Mr.Moon will be reading me - I advise you to change the name. Color is too generic a word. All your other blades - Hannibal, Sahara, Dexter, Ikarus, Oscar - have very special, unique names. But "Color" is too bland... and if we are correct here and Nexy will have the classic blade and extremely popular item in it, then you really need to think of a special name so that the people will have no problem talking about it and naming without confusing word "color" and name "Color". Perhaps you could have a quick naming contest in your company and among us testers here. I propose two names: Harmony (if you don't mind a feminine name) and Gautama (calmness of mind and overall balance are cornerstones of Buddha). Maybe I will come up with some better names later. |
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Thanks Peter
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Heimdallalso
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I vote Color |
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APW46
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I honestly don't mean to be facetious, But is 'color' a miss spelling of Colour? ( given the colourful splash of artwork on the blade)
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Color sounds good. That way when Mr. Moon is ready to release a faster version he will call it "Full Color" or "Color Full" as a pun with "Colorful"; but we are not there yet.
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JimT
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Color is simply an americanized version of Colour. Same as with neighbo(u)r, behavio(u)r, flavo(u)r etc. We aim to simplify! |
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I dunno. This name is so different from all the other names in Nexy lineup - others are memorable and unique. This one isn't and it's too common a word. |
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Coloray?
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We have "amour" in French and Spanish people simplified it into "amor"; like love is anything simple ...
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stiltt
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I would laugh at my boss asking "HEY FATT DO ME A FAVOUR".
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JimT
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Prismatic (like Kinetic from Andro) - all colo(u)rs in one rainbow. Rainbow? |
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APW46
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Thanks guys, being from England, I was brought up with classical English, I know everyone else has added their own quirks. But English is derived from so many different languages, we confuse ourselves at times
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JimT
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When you guys started spreading it all over the world, you should have realized nothing good could come out of that
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APW46
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Heh, I'm starting to like you more Jim....
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Peter C
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We don't need to go abroad, to get confused as some English people are more than capable of doing that all by themselves.
I remember my step grandmother, who came from Stoke; leaving me totally confused, on one occasion. We'd finished dinner and she asked "where are the muffins?" To which I replied, "what do you want muffins for, we're going to have cakes." "Yes, I'm looking for are the muffins?" At this point, I'm confused why she wants muffins; when we are going to have cakes. "Yes Muffins, Muffins; you know, as in side plates" At which point the penny dropped, "Oh, the side plates are in that cupboard". Unbeknown to me, muffins is the word used in the Pottery factories in Stoke, to describe side plates, whereas my initial thought was "What a strange woman, what does she want crumpets for?" |
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Lets not go into the raging argument in my family... Pycletts or crumpets? Midlands people call the Pycletts, northern, Crumpets... We spend most of Christmas day arguing about it...
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JimT
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Guys!!! ... remember the Color blade? which we are supposedly discussing here in this thread?
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Don't worry Jim, we haven't forgotten, just sharing a bit of banter.
By the way, did you say you had Outlaw and Wraith on the Color? |
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JimT
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Yep - Outlaw 2.2 FH, Wraith 2.2 BH
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Played it again tonite ! Yummy....You can call it dwell time, but I know there's something more than that in that blade. It could become the reference in OFF- blade. The control is insane, pleasure and feel are there too. I've promised to my EJ mate sending it to him next week, my heart already starts bleeding in anticipation. What a shock ! It is soooooo good !
Nexy, you def got something there. Congrats !
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I'm gonna say this now. I have had a few pm's with moderators.
I really think that Mr moon has come up with a truly remarkable blade that offers a real benefit to many players. I cannot go along with reviews that show a clear biased towards this product through the gratitude of the recipients of the free blades, Its just crass, no one feels that they can critisise the blades in any way because they have recieved them in liew of a positive review. This is silly, wrong and not representing a clear review of members/players who wish to buy this product. It as if these blades are the best ever, they are not, they are really good, I like the one I have, but there are many similar blades worse and better on the market. For goodness sake, lets stop the patronising rubbish, and review Mr Moon's blades in the real context they deserve. Stop this 'WOW' stuff, these blades are good, quality, well made, they can stand up along side many blades of the major manufacturers, but please, please, spare the the patronising.
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