Butterfly Innerforce zlc review

I think IF ZLC is NOT that fast, NOR is that powerful. The reason I switched is that I have not found the best (and affordable) rubber for it. I may come back to it if I found the right rubber to pair with it.

dabookerman wrote: Tried my 84g one last night with T80 FH and Rakza 7 BH and it is a bit head heavy.

It is a big blade (158x152) with a smallish handle. Perhaps, switching to a Mizutani Jun (limba outers, ZLC, 157x150, beefier TB-ALC type handle) might help?

Edited by slevin - 05/14/2013 at 12:00pm

Mine is 83 g. It feels head heavy too...

from my understanding i believe its limba limba zlc ayous zlc limba limba. Very dwelly......

ah haaaa.... Innerforce is re-arrangement of the plies.

i wonder if that applies for short pips too,anyway  is there anyone using this blade with short pips?

hey guys,i'm wondering if IN ZLC,spin art(butterfly) and boost ts(stiga) is a good setup,though i'm not sure about my tenergy05 being replaced by spin art,i want a rubber which has good spin but not so fast,cause i've been making a lot of long serves,and it usually goes over the table with my tenergy05,do u think i made the right decision? 

LOOPMEISTER wrote: johnny89atc wrote: Zhang Jike is using a Butterfly Viscaria... Yes, and Viscaria's outer plies are koto.

Yes, koto... and the Viscaria is an ALC blade, which is I think why johnny89atc clarified that--in response to boz's comment on ALC blades.

gnome wrote: thanks, love the feeling of limba, thinking of giving p700 a break and picking up an IF zlc. sadly though im beginning to think that limba top ply blades lack the crispness and penetration required for a top eight spot on the men's ittf ranking in this day and age, compared to for example koto..

Are you serious?

btw, Zhang Yining uses innerforce ZLC. I heard she's pretty good.

1 MA Long            Koto
2 BOLL Timo          Koto
3 MA Lin          Walnut
4 WANG Hao          Koto
5 ZHANG Jike          Koto
6 WANG Liqin          Koto?
7 XU Xin          Koto
8 SAMSONOV Vladimir Limba

you could also add - which fibres are under there? I think ALC would be quite more popular too - i think jike uses alc right?

Well as something accepted throughout the equipment community, Koto is more suitable with Chinese rubbers and Limba is more suitable with European rubbers. There are more Chinese players in the top 8 than European players, so Koto would obviously be more popular there. It doesn't mean that a certain wood type is better than another wood type, it depends wholly on the player and their particular style. Remember, a good player can make even the worst equipment seem like the best equipment.

gnome wrote: thanks, love the feeling of limba, thinking of giving p700 a break and picking up an IF zlc.sadly though im beginning to think that limba top ply blades lack the crispness and penetration required for a top eight spot on the men's ittf ranking in this day and age, compared to for example koto..

For most of us, I doubt it will make a significant impact on our game one way or the other. If it really mattered, we would probably be close to pro level. And if you are close to pro level, it wouldn't really matter that much any way simply because it would become a matter of preference and performance choice, not ABSOLUTE necessity. There are plenty of very high level player using both limba outer AND koto outer layers(and other types of wood), despite the top 8 preference for it.

The more I look at equipment, the less I know about the GAME. The IF ZLC is a great blade, but it is not SIGNIFICANTLY better than say another blade of similar build and thickness. I bought this blade and like it, but it is just the one I wanted, not because I think that this particular blade/combo is going to make my game any better... because it won't. It may help with certain aspects, but my blade is not going to move my feet into position, or help me stroke better.

I see what you are saying as far as top 8 using mostly Koto, but is that applicable to people on this forum? I think it is fun to know that data, but IMHO I doubt choosing the same type of equipment top 8 use will improve my game. For what it is worth, here are top 8 outer layers:
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1 MA Long            Koto
2 BOLL Timo          Koto
3 MA Lin          Walnut
4 WANG Hao          Koto
5 ZHANG Jike          Koto
6 WANG Liqin          Koto?
7 XU Xin          Koto
8 SAMSONOV Vladimir Limba

@gnome: :) it will cost you $150 to prove yourself wrong.

IF ZLC: limba - limba - zlc - ayous - zlc - limba - limba
JM: limba - zlc - limba - kiri - limba -zlc limba

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=7194

hey guys,is it true that MJ has less vibration than IZLC?n has a bigger sweet spot compared to IZLC?n 1 more ques,is it true that it is lighter than IZLC?