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Beware, if you're opponents rubber looks like this, you are screwed. A guy at my old club uses this rubber, cooked in the sun until shiny and hard like glass. Worse than any anti or pips, just nasty, nasty stuff. A 60 year old guy who doesnt move used it and handily beat 1900+ rated players with it almost every time by blocks and chop blocks and other crap. Just...the nastiest thing to play against.

Also, it's black on the other side, so it's black and brown...with screws in it...
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i wouldn't touch that with a 39 & 1/2 ft. pole
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good thing its illegal or we would all be in trouble
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Have fun trying to peel those rubbers off...
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Originally posted by bumpernets19 bumpernets19 wrote:

i wouldn't touch that with a 39 & 1/2 ft. pole

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that guy probably was a old school long pip user. i really don't think this blade improved the old mans game. you can get the same result from frictionless long pips
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Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

that guy probably was a old school long pip user. i really don't think this blade improved the old mans game. you can get the same result from frictionless long pips


Yeah, he never used pips...he's just had this type of setup his whole playing career, he never played in tournaments. Apparently it happened by accident, left it in his car between coming to the club and it baked and then he just kinda went with it. People haaaaate it though, and the guy is just a pain in the ass, constantly talking smack the moment he walks in the place as loud as he can manage. People hate him, won't play singles with him, he just plays with the new guys until they get too sick of him. They stole his previous racket and just destroyed it I imagine, he had to get a new one, which the guy who runs the place made and gave to him for some reason, despite being the focus of much of his ragging, but he's a quality guy, Danny who runs the place.
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there are a lot of people playing with really old rubbers...

a lot of old mark V or sriver. i know also an old tony hold anti... also a guy with 2 tibhar supra...
 
it is illegal and you can do nothing about it because you are the bad guy when you claim that their rubbers are illegal...
 
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if you look at it in a different light, these people who use illegal stuff are actually very beneficial for you. playing a speed gluer is like playing with timo boll and playing an illegal pip user is like playing a joo se hyuk. you get super spinny pushes and loops and chops and weird balls
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Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

if you look at it in a different light, these people who use illegal stuff are actually very beneficial for you. playing a speed gluer is like playing with timo boll and playing an illegal pip user is like playing a joo se hyuk. you get super spinny pushes and loops and chops and weird balls


That's why you or your friend keep some illegal long pips or other weird setups like stupid fast combos, to train against, but playing one in a match is just frustrating. It's hard to learn when you're furious at the guy for cheating.

I think that's two things everyone needs to have to train against occasionally. One super nasty illegal setup and one setup that's just way too fast. So you can practice against the extremes, like training with weights.
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I would love it if the guy came to my club!  I would benefit greatly from playing against him.  This is my worst nightmare...an old, experienced guy with glassy rubbers.  Unfortunately I never see them in practice and see nothing BUT them in tournaments.  Well, it feels like that sometimes.

Fun post, thanks jonan.
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I saw the title "Nastiest" and I thought you meant the racket was filthy.  I was gonna say there's a guy here that posted a pic of his J/K blade with black mold and stuff all over the cork.  It looked like a science experiment.  Now that was really nasty Smile

These "dead rubber" players are kinda fun to play with for me.  Here in MD (some of you probably know him), there's a guy who uses regular on the BH and dead rubber on the FH - and he attacks with it.  He has a really spinny BH loop and when you block it, he steps around to smash with the dead FH rubber.  Just dies in the net when you block it Smile Took me a few matches to figure him out.  Great exercise in spin recognition.

Note: after a few complaints, I think he switched to an Anti-spin on the FH rather than a dead rubber.
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Nastier than my PF4-016? Wink
 
Had hard time removing the rubbers, went back to Indonesia, met Rokphish, he gave that blade + the dunlop to a guy who repairs blade.
2 days later, both blade were clean, like new. $4 for both..Clap
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I lost to a guy exactly like that the last time I went to the old country - beat a few younger faster kids but this 60-yr old geezer with glassy old rubbers just pushed me around and hit it every time I raised the ball even an inch over the net level.

By the way, some of you on the East Coast probably played Rich DeWitt. He plays with similar setup - two Mark Vs which are both way past their prime. They are not 20-yr old of course but they might be half-way there, I suspect. Some traction there but not a lot - he plays quick and precise placement game, pushes, blocks and hits, with almost no spin at all, and he is rated around 2200.
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Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Nastier than my PF4-016? Wink
 
Had hard time removing the rubbers, went back to Indonesia, met Rokphish, he gave that blade + the dunlop to a guy who repairs blade.
2 days later, both blade were clean, like new. $4 for both..Clap
 
Yours is pretty nasty, no doubt Smile But it looks like it's just the rubber that was really bad.  The blade is still good as evidenced by the restoration.  This one I'm talking about, it's a J/K blade.  The cork has black mildew and who knows what growing on it.  I wish I could find the picture in here.  I did a quick search for "mildew, mold, J/K, penhold" but I don't have time to do a more thorough search.  Maybe someone with better searching skills can help Confused I recall the owner saying it was his dad's.  It's gotta be seen again.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:



By the way, some of you on the East Coast probably played Rich DeWitt. He plays with similar setup - two Mark Vs which are both way past their prime. They are not 20-yr old of course but they might be half-way there, I suspect. Some traction there but not a lot - he plays quick and precise placement game, pushes, blocks and hits, with almost no spin at all, and he is rated around 2200.


I also think he uses the same pair of shoes and socks that he used 10yrs ago..:p
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Originally posted by Jonan Jonan wrote:

Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

that guy probably was a old school long pip user. i really don't think this blade improved the old mans game. you can get the same result from frictionless long pips


Yeah, he never used pips...he's just had this type of setup his whole playing career, he never played in tournaments. Apparently it happened by accident, left it in his car between coming to the club and it baked and then he just kinda went with it. People haaaaate it though, and the guy is just a pain in the ass, constantly talking smack the moment he walks in the place as loud as he can manage. People hate him, won't play singles with him, he just plays with the new guys until they get too sick of him. They stole his previous racket and just destroyed it I imagine, he had to get a new one, which the guy who runs the place made and gave to him for some reason, despite being the focus of much of his ragging, but he's a quality guy, Danny who runs the place.


Solution: I'll come to your club... wait for the guy to show up, pretend to be interested in the racket (Wow that's a classic! Can I see that blade sir?) I take it and run. Of course, next week when he walks in with another accidentally baked racket you could be back to square one...
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Originally posted by Thaidog Thaidog wrote:

Solution: I'll come to your club... wait for the guy to show up, pretend to be interested in the racket (Wow that's a classic! Can I see that blade sir?) I take it and run. Of course, next week when he walks in with another accidentally baked racket you could be back to square one...


lol, luckily I moved recently, so I hopefully won't have to play around him again.
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toughest guys to play.......... half of hits are anti............the other half play like normal invert
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Originally posted by walleyeguy7 walleyeguy7 wrote:

good thing its illegal or we would all be in trouble
I think it can be argued that there's nothing illegal about it.  The guy didn't modify, treat, or change it in any way.  It just got that way by itself--after 20 years.  Big%20smile
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Originally posted by Aquaman Aquaman wrote:

Originally posted by walleyeguy7 walleyeguy7 wrote:

good thing its illegal or we would all be in trouble
I think it can be argued that there's nothing illegal about it.  The guy didn't modify, treat, or change it in any way.  It just got that way by itself--after 20 years.  Big%20smile


Yes but you're missing the idea that it did in fact "change" - probably even from it's first chemical composition.
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Yes, but the rule book never said anything about that.  It just said you can't modify it in anyway.  But he didn't.  He just left it there.  Hey, if you leave your rubber out for even a few seconds, it will change.  Sure, the change is so infinitestimal that you can't tell by naked eye, but you can be certain it changed.  Where in the rule book does it say how much change is too much, if you didn't do anything to it?
 
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Look at it this way... I'm a long pips player and I accidentally leave my longpips bat out in the car under the window... now the long pips are melted, inconsistent and slick as hell. Should I be able to play with them?
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