Review : H3 National White Package

Thickness: 2.15 mm
Hardness: 40 Degree
Tested on: Violin L-sized ST

H3 National: 47 gr
Violin L-sized: 87 gr
Tenergy 05: 47
Total: 181 gr which is a very balanced setup, not head heavy









This rubber isn't tuned, it's for speed glue era before the Neo Hurricane series. The weight after cut on Violin L-sized (Head size is smaller than normal Violin) is 47 gr, which is considered heavier than H3 Provincial and H3 Neo Provincial.

Using Haifu Water Based Glue:

Looping: Compared to my Hking 655 + Blue H3 39 deg Neo setup, it's slower and feels harder, but it's more spinny.
Slow loop is better than my Hking 655 setup, but when do loop kill, it lacks of killing power, my loop kill is easily blocked back.

Smashing: Worse than my Hking setup, since Violin is slower than Hking 655 and the sponge of H3 National White Package has more dead feel than the blue Neo. Against my friend who is a good lobber, I can't smash hard to win the point, I loose to him badly with my Violin Setup, also loose to him with my Hking 655 setup but not so bad

Short Game and Serving: The H3 National White package has more tacky topsheet than the blue Neo H3 National, produce more heavy underspin ball on serving and pushing.

Blocking: Can't do passive block, must block it with follow through. Harder to return opponent's smash with H3 National white package. With Blue H3 Neo is better.

I found my Violin+ H3 National isn't fast enough for speed glue ban, so mytt friend suggest me to tune the H3 National White package with Baby Oil!!!!

Tuned with 3 layers of Baby Oil after putting 6 layers of Haifu WBG:

The first impression after I glued it on the blade, the sponge feels softer and livelier which doesn't feel like chinese rubber. I feels like hard japanese rubber with tacky top sheet.

Looping: The way chinese rubber produce spin is through the top sheet and the sponge must be hard and firm, other wise it will just like japanese/euro rubber shich produce spin with combination of top sheet and sponge. Tuning the H3 National white package with Baby oil makes the sponge softer, looping with it must just like looping with japanese rubber (combination of topsheet and sponge). Looping becomes faster but also produce sufficient spin (not as spinny as untuned)

Compared to Hking 655 setup, the tuned H3 National feels faster on looping alhough violin is a slower blade than Hking 655.

Smashing: Violin Setup is as powerfull as Hking 655 after tuned, the sponge is more springy, produce a wonderfull smash against lob.

Short game and Serving: It takes time to change the way I serve. Normaly brushing the ball with top sheet produce plenty of spin, but now after tuning, it produce less spin. I must hit it deeper inside the sponge just like japan/euro rubber to be able to produce heavy underspin servers.
Short game feels bouncier and need to adjust.

Blocking: Passive blocking is easy as using Japan/euro rubber, the sponge really change from dead feel to more bouncy/livelier feel. No need follow through and don't have difficulties in blocking when opponent smash hard.


Summary: This speed glue version of H3 needs tuning/speed glue for better performance. Compared to H3 Provincial #20 Sponge, the H3 National White package has better quality sponge, the top sheet is tackier than the Provincial.
This rubber needs tuning, Neo doesn't. Tuning it with baby oil is cheap and produce a speed glue feel which last 2 weeks. I put it on vacuum zip lock bag to lengthen the tuned effect.
 

very good  comparative review.

I'm looking at my H3 National versus H3 Provincial, both bought from ttnpp. It's odd, but the National orange sponge is of a lighter color than the Provincial orange sponge, and the National has smaller, more closed-spaced pips. I'm surprised it is actually different. They both play amazing, however. Extremely good quality rubbers, but both sponge and topsheet are different.

Edited by LGL_fan - 12/03/2011 at 3:54pm

sa01 wrote: a couple of tips 1. it takes about 4-5-6 months of continual play for h3 to really break in. 2. when you apply the oil for boosting, use speed glue for attaching. makes the effect many times better.

the_theologian wrote: ejmaster wrote: sa01 wrote: a couple of tips 1. it takes about 4-5-6 months of continual play for h3 to really break in. 2. when you apply the oil for boosting, use speed glue for attaching. makes the effect many times better.   a tip.   forget about this h3 nightmare.   ... uh, if I have to play continually for 4-6 months before a rubber breaks in, I'll choose another rubber

with time it becomes a faster and softer rubber...
but yeah, you have to commit to it.
it's not a rubber for ejs

ejmaster wrote: sa01 wrote: a couple of tips 1. it takes about 4-5-6 months of continual play for h3 to really break in. 2. when you apply the oil for boosting, use speed glue for attaching. makes the effect many times better.   a tip.   forget about this h3 nightmare.

richrf wrote: ejmaster wrote: sa01 wrote: a couple of tips 1. it takes about 4-5-6 months of continual play for h3 to really break in. 2. when you apply the oil for boosting, use speed glue for attaching. makes the effect many times better.   a tip.   forget about this h3 nightmare. +1 Why put oneself through this mess?

some people like using h3 and some don't...


Edited by sa01 - 12/04/2011 at 11:51am

sa01 wrote: a couple of tips 1. it takes about 4-5-6 months of continual play for h3 to really break in.

you mean 6 months for H3 to be really broken?

I would say 6 to 10 hours of play shall break in the rubber

Fruit loop wrote: atv wrote: sa01 wrote: a couple of tips 1. it takes about 4-5-6 months of continual play for h3 to really break in. you mean 6 months for H3 to be really broken? I would say 6 to 10 hours of play shall break in the rubber I really don't feel the same way. I feel they die after 10 days of play and they're best during the first 2 days of play.

You are feeling the same way like a pro maybe you are using 39 degree?  I found 39 H3 playable right out of the box

Fruit loop wrote: atv wrote: sa01 wrote: a couple of tips 1. it takes about 4-5-6 months of continual play for h3 to really break in. you mean 6 months for H3 to be really broken? I would say 6 to 10 hours of play shall break in the rubber I really don't feel the same way. I feel they die after 10 days of play and they're best during the first 2 days of play.

Remember that Sebas tunes the heck out of his rubber, so maybe after 6 months of tuning, he achieves an effect that he likes.

Just so you know, the white packaging version is not ACTUALLY national version h3. Its just really close and DHS brings this out to sell it. Real national team members wont be using this white packaged h3. You'll notice that all of the white packaging national h3s that there is that DHS hologram which proves that the purpose of making that product is to sell. Real national team equipment doesnt have that hologram because it's used to sell so theres no point in making that hologram

Like said before there is H3 Nat for sale and there is H3 Nat for CNT players, the most reliable way of getting H3 NAT is from DHS website links at $55 and they are all non NEO and with white packages

Assuming that the stuff they are selling actually belongs to Ma Long or Wang Hao

I was not aware of that. Yet it seems a little shady that he can obtain so much equipment used by the CNT

peter79 wrote: Alink91, do you have actual national H3 for sale? how far is the diff with the white package national? Well now I still can't adapt playing with H3 tuned with Dian chi, most of the time when I use full power the ball fly out of the table.