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First my answer is yes. You can custom order it via oldstiga.com > register > fill out the custommade form or place an order for Virtuoso via OSP and add a remark into the last text field with exact dimesion or simply send me a mail via OSP contact form.

In the other hand CPEN a serious task.. Due to our experience with Chinese players/coaches we found out that CPEN is not a handle but a style. We plan to expand our range with a CPEN model but it will be different from others.

But we are really interested in your opinion. We can expand our handle scale if needed. The question is that if CPEN players can accept Virtuoso and Ultimate?
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@PLLSystem; Do you have any photo showing FL and SQST handles side by side? I do plan on orderign a SQST, but wanna compare it with the FL I have before ordering. Dimensions of SQST seems a bit small but holda commented it's not. I just want to make sure. Thx in advance.

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i will drop pics tonight CET

in advance, rst is bigger in mm but this makes the same feeling i your palm. sqst is dimensionally smaller but due to the square form it fills your palm more that results equal feel to rst

comparing the handles rst helpa a bit more when switching bh/fh.

rst is preferred by players who like stiga peter or donic st.
sqst is preferred by butterfly timo boll st fan
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OK, awaiting pics. By the way, what's the price for a Virtuoso with a custom handle (Bengtsson for eg.)?
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Well.. for sure you can get OSP with custom handle. But it is considered as custommade blade.

Here you are the pics:
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And SQST
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instead of Limba as outer ply, is there any OSP w/Hinoki (Japanese or non-Japanese is just fine) as outer ply? That would be an interesting one I'd luv to try/get 1 day.

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I am starting to wonder how the OSP Virtuoso will compare to a Nexy Spear.

That will be good comparison of 2 really well constructed blades.
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Lets do it :)
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Yes... OSP Virtuoso vs Nexy Spear. Both are similar using the same wood plies.

It will be almost like a World Cup. Korea vs Hungary....




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I don't think they use the same plies. The outer ply yes, but that's probably the only similarity. 
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FYI: there can be much differences at the same veneer type eg. grain, thickness, density (g/mm2), bending strength (yes, yes the pure veneer has it). In our experience we have to waste a square meter of Limba to find the best quality, that is most homogenic etc.. Its not easy way
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one more thing I wanna add re: the OSP Virtuoso of mine is this:
I briefly used my Clipper Wood An. (85.5g, blade itself) w/some cheapie rbrs Vs Samgoody yesterday (He came to Vancouver for a drop-in @ my club). I lent him this Virtuoso and just after a couple of mins. of play, he told me that Virtuoso combo is faster, more powerful. I had the same thought as well. I was thinking that how come this Clipper which is supposedly a more powerful and solid blade plays so much different than Virtuoso and yet not as fast/powerful w/ nice control.  A 7 ply "benchmark" powerhouse blade IS NOT or even as nice as 5 ply Virtuoso? Bear in mind that Clipper Wood is one of my all-time favourites, I always enjoy it's Solidness and it's "inner" Strength. Fast, solid, minimal flex, virtually no vibration, good in all aspects BUT something is still missing that only Virtuoso can provide and just a few mins. w/Clipper and later w/Virtuoso I could immediately distinguish the sweet attributes of Virtuoso and all these just outshine those of Clipper....


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Originally posted by kelvinyoong kelvinyoong wrote:

Yes... OSP Virtuoso vs Nexy Spear. Both are similar using the same wood plies.
It will be almost like a World Cup. Korea vs Hungary....

Or simply Oh Sang Eun vs. Daniel Kosiba Wink
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That doesn't seem fair Smile, Kosiba already beat Oh Sang 3-0 in the last WTTC. 
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He did Cool
With our blade Wink

Anyway our example is not right in a way. At WTTC all the teams are competitors. We are not. We have totally different viewpoint on production and approach for the reason why we make tt blades. but in its pure form it is very interesting to compare a mass product to a handmade. We are working on it.
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I should be able to compare the Nexy Spear and OSP Virtuoso, alongside each other later this month.

Admittedly, it is not a comparison I originally envisaged doing; as the design philosophy, the combination of woods used in construction; the way they are built and the type of player they are more likely appeal too, are different.

I initally tested the Virtuoso withTG3 Neo and H3 Neo and I'll be using the same rubbers for initially testing the Spear too.


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Good News Peter C. Thanks for your effort, it would be really great.
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Originally posted by Peter C Peter C wrote:

I should be able to compare the Nexy Spear and OSP Virtuoso, alongside each other later this month.

Admittedly, it is not a comparison I originally envisaged doing; as the design philosophy, the combination of woods used in construction; the way they are built and the type of player they are more likely appeal too, are different.

I initally tested the Virtuoso withTG3 Neo and H3 Neo and I'll be using the same rubbers for initially testing the Spear too.


 
I ordered 1 Virtuoso FL and 1 Spear FL.
 
Not because i want to compare, but because I think these are 2 very good blades.
 
I know PL blades, and I can imagine Virtuoso as a powerful 5 ply with the quality lamina and very good handle and craftmanship.
 
I guess i know how spear is going to be, because i had 2 donic offensive 40 and i can tell they were really good blades. and very difficult to score (for average players) better with other blades because the right balance between what Nexy says staying and bang impact. They are very good looping blades with a lot of control due to the staying performance. spear i think can be like sriver L in the glue era, not so exciting but at the time of playing a good scoring rubber.
 
The issue about spear (limba spruce ayous) is that pll can make a spear hand custom made. It will not be 60$.
 
Things are changing in the market, as far as the market has more knowledge and gets more expert about blades.
 
Either virtuoso or spear are probably blades to play well with and develop.
 
Lets see.
 
  
 
 


Edited by ejmaster - 07/06/2010 at 10:38am
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We are close to reveal our next blade Big smile

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This is looking very nice. Thumbs Up Is it 7 or 5 ply?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tiehwen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/07/2010 at 10:11am
what's the outer ply? mahogany, maple or oak? I'm sitting/waiting by the fence here. Smile
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I saw and tried this blade weeks ago.

I think, the outer ply is brown limba (?), and the blade is a classic "5 ply" blade.

It is similar to old allround Stiga blades, and it has "feeling", and flexible.


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Yeah... we call the outer ply dark limba or black limba. In our range it will be ALL+ but this kind of scaling is that I dont like Embarrassed since you can attack with that if you want.

Classic 5ply blade is it and we wanted to make it for old Stiga feeling lovers. 160mm head + spin elasticity are the main features.. One of our testers said he found his best wood for hardbat.
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For CPEN lovers..
Of course we expand our handle scale by CPEN.
In our way.
We still beliveve that CPEN is not only a handle but a style so with a CPEN handle you will have a real CPEN racket of the certain type that is adjusted to CPEN playing style..
First we will be ready to push out Ultimate CPEN (than Virtuoso CPEN) before branching out Expert.

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How much is the OSP Expert likely to cost?


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The same as Virtuoso.
At the same time I hereby inform you that we are over 100 woods sold so our free P+P offer on the first 100 buyer has ended.
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Wow that was fast. Word of mouth and all wood goodness of a custom made has reached to far away places.

What's the farthest destination that you have sold the Virtuoso?

If a custom is so good, why don't pros use them? Or maybe they do but they change the handle and use side tape to hide the plies.
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I think I have to blame you guys for writing good things about this OSP blades that awakens the EJ virus in meBig smile. Guess I have to give in.
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I think you can reckon that pros do use custom mades.

Before a blade is mass produced and marketed they make a few customblades for one of their contractplayers,  let him or her test it, make some varieties etc. Materialcost doesn,t play a role at that stage as it,s relatively low for any material used for a tabletennisblade.
At that stage it's all handmade, without compromise on wood quality, glues to use etc.
When the pro is satisfied with the result they use that as the final design and model for the mass-produktion department. Then cost-effectivity comes in and more or less compromises on woodquality, and gluing are made. Allthough the produktion blade looks similar it is different.

In a way blades like Primorac, Gatien extra or Korbel are kopies because they change things between different divisions of a factory.
 As long as the marketing department is happy everyone is happy.




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