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T05 FX: A boz - High_Arc review |
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High_Arc
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Hi all,
got the new Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX rubbers today. Updates will follow frequently. First some pictures: Weight: As you can see, the T05 FX is a bit lighter than the normal version. Impressions before the first session: Just bouncing the ball on the racket and doing some backspin and let the ball jump off again. Hardness: The FX is softer than the normal one, but certainly not as soft as some of the tensors produces by Joola and Donic. Quite a pleasant hardness for me I think. Speed: Not as fast as the normal T05 I guess, but still pretty fast. Catapult: The catapult effect is felt stronger, i.e. the impression of the catapult effect is more intense, which does not necessarily mean that it actually has more catapult. Spin: It's not an anti-top, that's for sure. Probably easier to generate spin on slow balls. The nicest thing I noticed is that the T05 FX has much more of a click sound than the normal T05. So, going out for a first practice test. I'm really excited First review (two hours of playing): Well, I'm deeply impressed after the first session! The rubber plays extremely well, with loads of spin on loops, a nice click sound and a very strong catapult effect. It is a real pleasure to play with this rubber!!! Coming from the regular T05, the main differences are the following: -Softer -Bouncier -More dwell -Slower when you hit really hard -More spin on slow balls (first opening loops and so on) -Much easier to block with it -Easier to handle in general Considering the above points, why would not everybody switch to the FX? -It is slower -It does not give you the same feeling of accuracy as the regular T05 does. -Half-distance play needs more effort I like the rubber on both forehand and backhand, and will most definitely keep it on the backhand. However, when I played the first match with it today, in the beginning all my pushes popped up high and "short" returns went long. I could adjust after about an hour or considering the length of my returns, but pushes popped up now and then during the whole session. Far off the table forehand counter loops ended in the net frequently due to the decreases speed. Backhand counter loops were great, because mine often went long with the regular T05. For me certainly a great choice for the backhand. There I get the advantages of the T64 but not its disadvantages. Impressions after second session: First of all, the T05 FX will be my new backhand rubber, no doubt. I have not found anything about it on the backhand side which I don't like. I played for about one hour against a machine, and for about another hour some matches against two different players. I play with both of them quite frequently, one is has quite a bit a lower level (no ranking because only the top 200 or so get a ranking), the other is quite a bit better (current number 15 in Switzerland), and I know their game well. However, the serves of the better player are often loaded with so much spin that I frequently used to make a direct mistake with T05 even if I read the spin correctly just because I misread the amount of spin. My ranking fluctuates in the Swiss top 100, but not below 60. Playing against the machine (switch between T05 and T05 FX, see picture) Actually both rubbers have similar characteristics. The FX has just a bit more dwell, and is a bit slower. Some may perhaps find the FX a bit mushy, but I don't, I actually find the T64 more mushy. It is certainly easier to loop bottom spin balls with the T05 FX than with the T05, but for now I can't tell whether this is due to a larger dwell, a smaller sensitivity to incoming spin or a higher throw. I guess it's not the last point because he rubber seems to have a lower throw than the regular T05 in all aspects. When I did some off the table counter looping against the machine (oh I love that so much), I found that there is a upper speed and spin limit of the rubber, which I have never experienced with the normal T05. But the limit is very high so that at my level I don't care. In the matches, I noticed that I serve better with the FX. I felt more confident to put spin on short serves, because they did not go long as often experienced with the regular T05. Against the player with a lower level, I performed pretty much the same as I would have with the normal T05. Though some unnecessary errors on first forehand loops due to the higher dwell, but nothing I can't get used to. I really liked how you can do touch shots with the rubber. Managed to do some nice short bottom side spin returns and found it good fun to use the catapult. Had some problems with flicking on the forehand side. On the other hand I did better against the best player of our club than I ever have. Did less errors in the returns of his serves, where I dared to be more active. I blocked more balls than I usually would have. When he attacks, he always plays the balls there where I don't expect them, and the FX is much more forgiving for these kind of out-of-position blocks. I don't know whether this is helpful or not... By the way, I found the Jun Mizutani blade to be a perfect match to the T05 FX's. I think the T05 FX rubber will be a huge success, because it is similar to the T05, but is not that difficult to handle. I often found the T05 working against me when facing better opponents, and I don't see that coming with the FX. I expect some pro's to use the T05 FX on the backhand, but I can't imagine that many would use it on the forehand, because it lacks the extreme power and top gear of the normal version. More to follow... |
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So the weight of T05 Fx after cut is about 44-45 gr, while T05 is about 48-50 gr. High_Arc,What do you use to cut the rubber?
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I used a pair of scissors and did not cut the rubbers precisely to the edge. Further I used a small to medium amount of water based glue. |
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Nice pictures High_Arc, look forward to you're review.
Is it just me, or does the sponge look more orange compared to normal T05 or was that just the lighting when you took the photos? |
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The sponge colors of T05 and T05 FX looks the same to me, so it must be due to the lighting. |
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Could you tell me how to cut the rubber 1-2 mm larger than the headsize of the handle? What kind of scissors do you use? 12 inch or 9 inch? I have tailor scissors 12 inch, but can't cut as neat as using Cutter. |
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Nothing special, just more than 15 years of rubber cutting... I normally cut precisely to the edge of the blade, but I did not want my setup to be much lighter than it is with T05 for better comparison. I don't know whether the scissors are 12 or 9 inch. The length of my scissors is roughly 17 cm in total (around 7 inch I think) and the cutting part is 7.5 cm (3 inch). |
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wicked scale.
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+1. But unless I'm mistaken, High_Arc is German. They invented precision. |
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I'm Swiss actually, so your statement that the Germans invented precision is almost an insult |
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Oops. Swiss would've been my next guess! Perhaps you guys are tied for the invention of precision. But the Swiss get first place for chocolate. And watches. Plus, you beat Spain! |
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Attach several layers of narrow edge tape. |
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That would a tragedy for all click haters. |
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"click haters" ? I've yet to know anybody play tt and hate click sound.
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I am interested in FX as a backhand rubber. In particular it's abilities to produce topspin while looping and counter driving. Any comments on how it performs there?
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looking forward to your first impression of the rubber sheets, High_Arc! I'll probably receive my T05FX way after you've done a thorough review.
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I am waiting for my Fx to arrive and I am also playing with the MJ, very interested in your review. My blades weight is 91 grams on my scale, I will check the weight before assembly.
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Gave up listing, too many changes.
Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
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first impressions (also at added at the beginning of this post)
First review (two hours of playing): Well, I'm deeply impressed after the first session! The rubber plays extremely well, with loads of spin on loops, a nice click sound and a very strong catapult effect. It is a real pleasure to play with this rubber!!! Coming from the regular T05, the main differences are the following: -Softer -Bouncier -More dwell -Slower when you hit really hard -More spin on slow balls (first opening loops and so on) -Much easier to block with it -Easier to handle in general Considering the above points, why would not everybody switch to the FX? -It is slower -It does not give you the same feeling of accuracy as the regular T05 does. -Half-distance play needs more effort I like the rubber on both forehand and backhand, and will most definitely keep it on the backhand. However, when I played the first match with it today, in the beginning all my pushes popped up high and "short" returns went long. I could adjust after about an hour or considering the length of my returns, but pushes popped up now and then during the whole session. Far off the table forehand counter loops ended in the net frequently due to the decreases speed. Backhand counter loops were great, because mine often went long with the regular T05. For me certainly a great choice for the backhand. There I get the advantages of the T64 but not its disadvantages. More to follow... |
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High-Arc this is my input "our" review lol.
...... thanks for putting my name up there shame, I don't have mine yet. Very professional look so far! What am I worried about? I was honestly hoping that the rubber would be nearer 40g cut than 45g. |
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Wow, sounds like my kind of rubber already. Though the regular T05 is my favourite rubber, I always find that it is a bit too fast for me. Plus I would dearly love it to be a little bit lighter too. And looks like this FX version is answering my wish. Also, it is not mushy soft, thank goodness for that. I can't wait for mine to arrive soon.
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I'm really looking forward to the arrival of your rubbers! And to your impressions. In particular the disagreements... And I'm sure I could get rid of at least an additional gram each side if I would cut the rubbers to the edge. Further But for me, this would seriously mess up the balance of my setup. |
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High_Arc: did you, by any chance, record (video) yourself when testing the rubbers? If you did, can you indulge us? Thanks - based on your initial impressions, I'm really looking forward to getting my FX.
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Interesting. I am hoping that it will be fast enough so that it can still block with a good amount of speed. Did you get this sheet from tt-japan?
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Thanks for your idea Imago |
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I have never understood why anyone would care how it sounds, only how it plays. |
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Some people are still addicted to the sound they used to love in the speed gluing era. |
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The sound is the result of compressing the gases that are stored in the pores of the sponge, when you hit the ball. This compression pushes back on the ball and increases the return speed.
This is from cavitation, the trapped gas cannot move through the pores fast enough, and this causes the clicking noise.
So there is actually a benefit, just how much is debateable.
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Gave up listing, too many changes.
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no video so far, but i'm planning to do so in the near future (within two weeks hopefully). |
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Hello High_Arc,
is there a great difference in the sponge hardness between T05 FX and T64 ?
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Well, T05 and T64 have the same sponge, it's the less dense pimple distribution which gives T64 a softer feel. As for T05 FX, the sponge is notably softer than the one of the T05 (same top-sheet from what I can judge), and the overall feel is a bit softer than T64. |
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