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what are these two players rating in the states?

Yes, he is (he was 2410 recently). The other guy is Jeffrey Hsin, he is just below 2200. Grant was not playing to his full strength there, making a lot of unforced errors...

JimT give Jeff credit...I know what hes capable of ;)

LobbedYoud0wn wrote: JimT give Jeff credit...I know what hes capable of ;)

I wasn't saying anything bad about him, was I? I simply gave the USATT ratings for both guys per question from the previous post.

LobbedYoud0wn wrote: JimT wrote: LobbedYoud0wn wrote: JimT give Jeff credit...I know what hes capable of ;) I wasn't saying anything bad about him, was I? I simply gave the USATT ratings for both guys per question from the previous post. No, but it came across like Jeff only won because of the unforced errors, which are hard to gauge. I've played Jeff many times and the errors one makes against him are more forced than they look, because his spin is deceptive, and he can often place his shots where you aren't expecting

I didn't mean that - and you are right, it is hard to measure which errors are forced, which aren't. But that's simply how we, spectators and experts, have to do that in tennis and table tennis as well - unforced errors are the ones where the player is (seemingly, at least) in control of the situation, has time to prepare the shot, and then misses it.

And I am not saying he made more of them than Jeff. I am just saying that compared to how I saw Grant (many times) play the opponents around his own level.

No, the problem was that melarimsa had to put the camera into the bleachers which has a rather bouncy floor, and whenever someone walks or runs by the camera starts jumping up and down...

Was Grant the one with the hat on leaning over the fence? or do we somehow always know who is who?

Yes ...

In US, 2300 is high. Best rating is 2600+ ... So you can do math :) ... One of those players is 2300+ other is 2100+ ... I hope this help a little :)

Maybe in the range of 200, there are 2200+ up to 2350+, but I may be pushing. There is very few in top 20 range from 2400+ to 2600+ !!!

Maybe this can help better: www.usatt.org

It seems to me that table tennis overall is at a much weaker standard in the States than Australia despite the much bigger population. Off the chart both these guys would be in the top 200 players in the States but they would be _maybe_ on a good day just in the top 400 in Australia (maybe). I just compared the ITTF rankings for the top 20 in each country and that seems to agree, England is somewhere in between the two, with the average Australian player ranked much higher and there's so many better young kids coming through now it's only going to improve. You guys need to do something to get more people playing!. Does the government help out much? with your population you should be miles in front, it's a very minor sport here too, but since it's an Olympic sport it will always be given some government help

Edited by nicefrog - 10/01/2010 at 3:38am

JimT wrote: Yes, he is (he was 2410 recently). The other guy is Jeffrey Hsin, he is just below 2200. Grant was not playing to his full strength there, making a lot of unforced errors...

Just over-rated? Barney Reed is about 2400 too, but he plays much much better. I guess that those guys need to come to see Barney in California.

ttguy wrote: JimT wrote: Yes, he is (he was 2410 recently). The other guy is Jeffrey Hsin, he is just below 2200. Grant was not playing to his full strength there, making a lot of unforced errors... Just over-rated? Barney Reed is about 2400 too, but he plays much much better. I guess that those guys need to come to see Barney in California.

nicefrog wrote: It seems to me that table tennis overall is at a much weaker standard in the States than Australia despite the much bigger population. Off the chart both these guys would be in the top 200 players in the States but they would be _maybe_ on a good day just in the top 400 in Australia (maybe). I just compared the ITTF rankings for the top 20 in each country and that seems to agree, England is somewhere in between the two, with the average Australian player ranked much higher and there's so many better young kids coming through now it's only going to improve. You guys need to do something to get more people playing!. Does the government help out much? with your population you should be miles in front, it's a very minor sport here too, but since it's an Olympic sport it will always be given some government help

 You really need to get more knowledge about this. The ONLY reason that there are more AUS players on the ITTF rankings is because they have an Australian open tournament, and it is open to every man and his dog, In UK we have an English open that is restricted to selected players, further to that, the ETTA does not allow any English players to play ITTF events without permission. The Standard of play is higher in depth in England than Australia, generally Australian players who compete in England are competitive at a lower ranking, so a player of top 30 Mens capability, is equivalently around 100 in England.

APW46 wrote: nicefrog wrote: It seems to me that table tennis overall is at a much weaker standard in the States than Australia despite the much bigger population. Off the chart both these guys would be in the top 200 players in the States but they would be _maybe_ on a good day just in the top 400 in Australia (maybe). I just compared the ITTF rankings for the top 20 in each country and that seems to agree, England is somewhere in between the two, with the average Australian player ranked much higher and there's so many better young kids coming through now it's only going to improve. You guys need to do something to get more people playing!. Does the government help out much? with your population you should be miles in front, it's a very minor sport here too, but since it's an Olympic sport it will always be given some government help  You really need to get more knowledge about this. The ONLY reason that there are more AUS players on the ITTF rankings is because they have an Australian open tournament, and it is open to every man and his dog, In UK we have an English open that is restricted to selected players, further to that, the ETTA does not allow any English players to play ITTF events without permission. The Standard of play is higher in depth in England than Australia, generally Australian players who compete in England are competitive at a lower ranking, so a player of top 30 Mens capability, is equivalently around 100 in England.

 Look at the ITTF rankings for England again, you will see that Lewis Grey is ranked at 1176 in the world, yet if you check here;