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Review:"NEW better" 729 F1 - Powerlooper's Dream |
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mon22 
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how would this blade compare to a Hurricane King 655?
I was interested in that blade but its way too much cheddar man... how would this blade pair up with DHS rubber specifically h2 neo? thanks guys
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 1:44am |
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Just intended to try a new H2 Neo on F-1.
I'd better try not. H2 Neo cut is 50 g.  Edited by Imago - 03/31/2011 at 2:48am |
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 1:31pm |
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Satisfaction brought the cat back...
Surprisingly, almost no difference between red Mercury 2 @ 37 and red H2 Neo. Except that H2 is harder (being new), an idea stronger and with little more spin. Very pleasant feel though.
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 4:21pm |
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thanks imago,
with that said Imago buy this blade   should i try getting the 729 L-3 too while Im at it?
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ThaiLe
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 5:27pm |
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I got my 729 F-1 today plus Thor's and Sun 38deg max.
Which one should I pair with 729 F-1? Any suggestions? Thxxx |
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 5:35pm |
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Try Thor first. I remember the last time I hit Sun from borrowing your blade, it was not that good IMO.
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ThaiLe
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 5:40pm |
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I remembered now. Thors it is... |
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 5:40pm |
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ThaiLe
my suggestion is paste your usual rubber on 729 F-1 if you want a proper idea about the blade. Thor's is a difficult to adjust rubber, and sun is under performer imo. So they will unnecessarily convolute your opinion about the blade... and you will associate some of their properties with that of the blade.
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 5:43pm |
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Thanks for the suggestion. However, I don't have my usual rubber since I change rubber every week or so... |
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 6:16pm |
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:) ... then try anything you played with earlier... not thor's.
thor's is little too much 'FUN'
.. when you first play with it. |
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 8:19pm |
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mon22
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 11:51pm |
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most likely tabletennisonly since he recieved it mad quick
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ThaiLe
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Posted: 04/01/2011 at 12:20am |
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I bought it from tabletennisonly. JZ is super fast in shipping. It is the last 729 F-1 blade that he has. The next shipment from Yinhe is early April. Edited by ThaiLe - 04/01/2011 at 12:21am |
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Posted: 04/01/2011 at 12:33am |
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So I played for about one hour with Thors on 729 F-1 and I had mixed feeling with Thors. Some shots are long and some just hit the net. However, the feeling for F-1 blade is awesome - especially for blocking. Solid feel and good feedback from the blade. 729 F-1 is really worth it. Will pair Sun 38deg max with F-1 and test it tomorrow. However, Thors on Acoustic feels much better. |
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today i realized something after playing with another blade.
I was comparing 729 F-1 with TB ALC or Innerforce ALC. but today i actually played with the closed 729 F-1 clone... exact same speed and feeling. Guess what? It turns out to be Innerforce T5000. That's the real 729 F-1 clone. I took that blade from club player... and it had the same exact feeling... but the IF T5000 was with better finish and handle shape.  Butterfly rates that blade 10 in speed... but i guess that's wrong. its not that crazy fast ... definitely slower than IF ZLC... and a very pliable blade.... just for butterfly fans.... because its kinda 9 times more expensive than 729 F-1 Edited by debraj - 04/01/2011 at 2:30am |
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T5000 is closer to 3K than ALC, ZLF or ZLC.
I have played with three of them and find F-1 as fast if not faster than IF ZLC. It says OFF++ on the F-1 handle. This is not arbitrary rating. Edited by Imago - 04/01/2011 at 2:34am |
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Posted: 04/01/2011 at 4:21am |
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Eacheng rates V-6 with 92 and F-1 at 89. I have V-6 and it's everything but "very fast".
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Posted: 04/01/2011 at 5:56am |
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Mr. Eacheng will probably rate IF ZLC with 88.
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I wonder if I should try the F1, since I already own a Wavestone and a Galaxy t8 (both of which I like a lot, especially the Wavestone)... Do you think it can be an improvement?
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Posted: 04/01/2011 at 11:57am |
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seguso... since i played with both the blades yuo mentioned for significant time, i think yes it will be an improvement if you are looper... both of those blades are 7mm+ composite blades. no professional player plays 7mm+ composite blades. however.. when you try F-1 blade.. due to the change in nature of power delivery, your shots will be anemic for first 2 days.. after which you will adjust to the timing and your loops will be as powerful as those 2. Hitting will not be as powerful.. but imo, plenty. |
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Posted: 04/01/2011 at 12:33pm |
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I would rate V-6 at the low end of OFF, sometimes upper end OFF-. It is not OFF+ of course. |
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ThaiLe
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Posted: 04/01/2011 at 12:39pm |
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F-1 finished surface is not that bad but not great either. Yet, it is better than L-3 and V-6. A very thin layer of polyurethane sprayer will keep the splinter from happening.
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Posted: 04/01/2011 at 1:24pm |
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it's funny but its difficult to compare the speeds... because the speeds kick at different times... so what is not speedy at slow shots... can again be speedy at faster shots ....
V-6 definitely has more top end speed than F-1, but less spring than F-1... and while looping away from table that spring of F-1 is very handy in move the ball farther.
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I find F-1/H2Neo/M2 as fast as H-WL/H2/H3, and we know that H-WL is rated OFF+++ Whoever tried this combo admitted that it is too fast for us, regular denizens of TT entertainment clubs.
Probably this particular F-1 I've got has some individual peculiarities, like thicker koto plies or I don't know what...
Still, the question remains as to why 729 would mark it as OFF++ while V-6 is clearly rated as OFF+. Look at your handle, please.
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F1 is creating some buzz, good...
I've played with a handful of V-6s, and they are between OFF and OFF- blades. From what I hear F-1 is slower than V-6, and probably is OFF-. BTW, while at it and as far as I am concerned: H-WL not an OFF+++ blade, it is an OFF- blade imho, just a bit faster than HK, and slower than HK655. |
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If H-WL is OFF- then BTY Primorac must be DEF as far as I am concerned.
I rest my case: You have to be an established 2000+ player to be consistently successful with F-1 paired with the modern 3rd generation Tensor, Sensor, Exonsor, Sponsor, etc. "inner explosion cum divel" rubbers.
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Primo is between ALL+ and OFF- (true Primorac in the 87-93 grams range)
H-WL is between OFF- and OFF (different batches differ somewhat in weight and speed, but in general it is a moderately fast blade, very easy to control and play with. To give you a better frame of reference: Stiga OC CR for your reference is an ALL + blade (regardless of manufacturers claims) Stiga Allround Classic is ALL Clipper is OFF Korbel is also classic OFF to OFF- blade TBS is OFF- ALC is OFF- to OFF Primo Carbon is OFF+ Hope that clears the picture :-) So Imago, is the F-1 is in the ballpark of Primorac Carbon? |
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Posted: 04/02/2011 at 6:45am |
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No, Primorac Carbon is faster. |
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Posted: 04/02/2011 at 7:11am |
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You mean they are too fast? The fact is I am using slow cheap rubbers (Galaxy Sun, Globe 999, H3 Neo), so I need that power. In fact, T8 seems to me too slow for forehand smashing, even though I have a big swing, whereas Wavestone is perfect. So my question is: to use the F1, will I have to switch to more expensive rubbers (or to boost my current rubbers once a week)?  Thanks |
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No need to do so. Tried it with Vega Pro, H3 Neo Pro, T05... M2 @ 37 or more will give you enough power, at least more than with the said three.
There are no fast rubbers and fast blades, there are only Power Combos - and the right combination is a matter of luck.
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