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Jeff(ATTC)
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Please note that these are my observations, and I realize that not all or any of my observations are true. Please feel free to put in some of your experiences or observations.
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BH-Man
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I think you are doing a great job of figuring out what is holding progress and look very motivated to get it done.
So many US players, especially in the 1400-1800 range, play very often, yet after years, remain in relatively the same rating. Hey, I was one of them. Not any more.
One thing you will see is that as you fix one thing, you will discover three things you could do better or is getting you killed at the next level. Not being able to consistantly flip short serves is one of those things for me right now.
Edit terrible spellingks/fat fingers. Edited by BH-Man - 01/29/2011 at 10:12pm |
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3 things that i need to work on
- flipping short balls consistently - bh loop drive (for me) - bh blocks against opening loops.... |
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BH-Man
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Jeff, I finally saw both vids. You seemed to play better vs the advanced player Oliviu. You played some nice rallies and finished some of them, especially the point where you put one past him on his BH side. Oliviu was not expecting that. In your other match, you missed a LOT of chances that should be high percentage. A lot of that looks like a matter of consistancy, which will get better in time well enough with what you are doing. i could see what you were trying to do. You had a good didea of exactly what you wanted, but were off on the timing or bat angle.
Your inconsistancy looks like I looked one year ago, about 3 months after I got here. That was the point where I started multiball lessons and shot up a level or two in a year. if you can get some live players to give you some of these rallies in practice, you will get there a little faster.
Improvement always starts out small. You see yourself landing higher % in practice on a ceretain shot. you see yourself gettting to a few more of the wide balls and landing those openers. You see yourself making some combinations you didn't make before. You see soem rallying you never did before. It doesn't always add up to points right away, yet you know you improved. With more time, you see yourself winning more of those rallies/combinations or finishes. Eventually, agains tht esame level of player, you start winning more games, then later even matches. After more time, you dominate that level and run into more things you identify with a different level and class of player opponents.
Just remember (which you probably already do a great job of already) that you don't see the results of your improvement right away, but eventually, it all leadse to points, games, matches, and levels.
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Edited by Jeff(ATTC) - 01/31/2011 at 10:49pm |
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A recent match at the NCTTA Spring Texas Regional. Jeff (UT Austin) vs. Yang (UTD) Game 1 (First Game Jitters) and duchoangle (UTD) vs. Taylor (UT Austin) Jeff (UT Austin) vs. Yang (UTD) Game 2
Jeff (UT Austin) vs. Yang (UTD) Game 3 Edited by Jeff(ATTC) - 02/01/2011 at 1:23am |
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Rich215
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Jeff thanks for your vids, you have a good serve especially if you can variate it.
Don't you enforce USATT/ITTF rules in the NCTTA? 2nd vid above the guy is covering up the contact point of service, 3rd vid....his racket is illegal. |
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blahness
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I think you should practice more 3rd ball combos. Just serve only one kind of serve to a particular location, then ask your opponent to return it and loop the return. You're making way too many mistakes with your opening loops, like me now... It's just a process of trying to get used to the spin of the serve returns.
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Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
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BH-Man
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None of us were there, so we don't know. I think Jeff has some more serves up his sleeve that he isnt yet revealing for match play. He has a few players in his club who can get him to serve like your worst nightmare. I am sure he is working it. No one learned to serve overnight and be match ready with it all. However, everyone is so right in wanting Jeff to make more use of serve/attack. Jeff has the potential to really develop that aspect of his game.
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Jeff... look at the 3rd video. 0:12-0:13
You know what is not right?You try to reach a ball on the FH side from your BH side.. You should step in with your right foot first. When the right foot is in, then you have a base foot for pivoting your body to loop. You cannot hit a loop when your right leg is airborne. It's almost impossible to hit a good loop that way cause you don't have a pivoting point. It's different when you have your right leg in, just watch your vid. And you need to be more confident on the BH. Better to give your all and miss rather than make a half-hearted shot and lost the point anyway.. |
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@blahness: You're right about the serve placement, I should change it up, but I did vary the spins on my serves, side/back, pure side, topside. Edited by Jeff(ATTC) - 02/01/2011 at 11:27am |
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blahness
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@Jeff
Haha I wasn't commenting on your match, I was talking about an exercise where you just serve one kind of serve(for e.g. FH side-underspin), then ask your partner to push them back, and then you loop. This will really boost your consistency in your 3rd ball. When you're playing with slightly weaker players, you can train this as well. Just serve one type of serve and make sure your 3rd ball opening is consistent. Also if your partner is able to block your 3rd ball back, be prepared to loop another one. This are point-winning combos that you'll can rely on... If you train using too many types of serves, you'll end up confusing yourself with all the kinds of different spin that's going back to you. But of course, during matches just vary it as much as you can... You have very good basics and you'll definitely get far. |
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Jeff(ATTC)
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Some updated videos (on the front page) after a few months work. Let me know what you guys think!
Edited by Jeff(ATTC) - 04/16/2011 at 2:35am |
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BH-Man
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blahness, I know you like Jeff and want him to suceed as much as anyone, but he was above this level even in 2009. He was a machine opening and his follow up attacking was strong/fast - much higher quality than even his current USATT rating. Jeff is upping his game and the match results/USATT ratings are much in lagging, yet they will mature more so than a tulip bulb in Apr/May. Unless Jeff moves away and gets an occupation that allows him zero chance at TT, he will be around Austin and be a 2000 level player before 2012 December. He already has the strokes and practice ethics.
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BMonkey
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Something is off with your backhand but it's hard to pinpoint what it is... My guess is that you're over rotating your arm when you backswing. My guess as to why you are over rotating it is that you are compensating for power. You don't really use torso rotation to give power to the ball with your backhand (you do it great with your forehand though so there is still hope for you ).
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Jeff(ATTC)
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Out of curiosity, I would like to request if you guys/gals would like to post your FH/BH videos up. I'd like to look at them for study/comparison so I can see the similarities/differences between our stroke mechanics. Maybe I can learn from you guys/gals and incorporate parts of your strokes into mine.
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Here's a FH warmup video when I was spending winter break in VN. My form has changed somewhat since then, but this stroke was considered "acceptable" to the coach
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don't look at mine!!! it's ugly |
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Jeff(ATTC)
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Looks solid duc! Looks like you use a lot of elbow snap and a guy with a moped just walked through your practice area. I'm going to have to do some youtube searching tpgh2k. Last time I saw your look was in Vietnam, from what I remember it was working for you!
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noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! i think it got worse jeff....
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Vassily
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Jeff I think your FH looks good. Good timing and feel, at least in practice. In the game against the chopper you looked fine at stringing together shots too. At the end of the day the TT ball is quite small and light, so with good timing into a solid contact the ball will go fast enough to kill, and thats all thats needed. So it is somewhat unnecessary I think to try to create some sort of superoptimized monster FH stroke. It wont win you any more games, especially since for most perfectly tuned things you need to be in perfect position, and thats not really going to happen in games. TT is not golf.
I suppose more use could be made of the elbow snap, since it will make the stroke shorter and therefore easier to setup and fire off, which is really the key I think. To get to the next level, I think you need to improve your short game, placement, consistency, and maybe practice how to control-loop those marginal shots consistently. Your FH and BH are plenty good enough. Pushblockers videos are a fantastic example of how far you can get with basically only good control, placement and experience only. Edited by Vassily - 04/28/2011 at 4:54am |
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I just don't understand why the new generation tt players have the same service position now always serve from the backhand side where did the variation of serves go? Jeff your latest video of your FH and BH is way much better, your contact point is more precise but i'd like to see more consistency on the actual game don't hesitate to apply what you practice, you will miss a point or two in the beginning but as your confidence and experience will build up you will be more consistent.goodluck.
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Vassily and gatz, thanks for the input!
@Vassily: I've been emphasizing practice of my short game, particularly my pushes. I find it hard to correctly time a long push so that it is fast and low. I've also tried to do more control loops in my games, but I find that my form changes and the ball. It's hard for me to use my practice strokes in games. My footwork is not very clean, which leads to me reaching and just using my arm to stroke the ball. I've been trying to take more time in between hits to reset into a neutral position, and watch the opponent so that I can move and use my practice strokes in games. @gatz: I have a BH serve, but it's only for "special" situations. Thanks again guys for the tips. Will remember them when I train. |
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Vassily
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I believe Waldner used to practice deliberately hitting shots when out of position. Might as well practice what you actually do in games... Especially that leaning FH shot when they hit the ball at your elbow.
Nothing really all that bad to use mainly arm to hit the ball, TT is a fast sport and you wont have enough setup time. Of course you should still use some waist/legs, but I think you should try to make the big (slow) muscle movements very efficient (small but well timed), so as to make it easier to get the shot off. Better to have a loop which takes 0.4sec to setup so you can use it 70% of the time, and consequently win the point 80% of the time, than practice a super 100% point-ending loop which takes 0.7sec to set up, so you can only use it 1% of the time. Long push wise, the key is probably to really look like you are going to push short, and be able to change from short push to long push at the last second depending on your opponent. Long pushes are more a surprise thing I think. When one of the chinese players came to NZ, he saw the NZ players doing loop to loop. And was so scared, was like "wtf is supposed to be a sh*tty TT country, ZOMG i better go back to China". Then he played them in a game. And won like 21-3, from his short game. They NEVER had the chance to loop. Resetting to neutral, I am not so sure how important it is. Sure you need to be ready for the next shot, but its not like tennis where you kinda have the time to go back to the centre of the court (while still continuing your shriiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeekkkk). Edited by Vassily - 04/29/2011 at 6:29am |
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Jeff(ATTC)
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@ vassily: by neutral I mean getting back into a ready position. I'm afraid I'm not fast enough to get back to center court every time. I actually think that's a little inefficient.
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as requested here is a vid of a bit of FH drilling then a match.
I did post a new thread but just thought I would post it here too
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It's been a while, but I've added a new video from one of my training sessions. Having some trouble with relaxing and getting the right crossover footwork. Comments are much appreciated.
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I'm not advanced enough to comment on the crossmove but nice work on finally getting the contact in front. Nice improvement on power too.
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edit: have your friend continue feeding after the set of 4, that way you can work on keeping your balance. you're doing pretty good on the footwork part from what i'm seeing. it's just what to do after you're forced to cross over...i think.... Edited by tpgh2k - 09/19/2011 at 10:47am |
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