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    Posted: 02/17/2011 at 6:39pm
which one of these blades is more suitable for looping,counter looping,serving and has a higher throw?
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I have both. They are both fast (faster than Mizutani, Boll ZLC and Innerforce ZLC) but the Rosewood is softer than the Ebenholz.  I would say Rosewod slightly better for looping with a little more dwell time than the tinnier Ebenholz. I use BW3 on them and so generating spin on serves and loops is easy. 

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so which one would you say is better since both of them are very similar?rosewood?ebenholz?
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Originally posted by danie danie wrote:

so which one would you say is better since both of them are very similar?rosewood?ebenholz?

There is no better or worse blade...

I haven't played with these blades but if Trottski is correct you should choose Rosewood if you loop more and Ebenholz if you counterhit.
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and what if i counter loop more?which one should i choose?
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Both VIIs are very fast. 
How long have you been playing Table Tennis? Maybe you should also think of V versions. Even Xu Xin plays Rosewood V not VII!
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lol,i have been playing table tennis for 6years and this is my 7th year,mind you i'm only 14 this year.The V versions?yeah maybe I should,but i'm not sure which one to choose either.
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if i were you i would not expect much about those blades.
in my opinion eb v is more solid and estable than vii.
 
ebvii is weird blade not just because of the awful handle but also because of the blade itself. It has a lot of catapult but lacks solidness to get control.
 
ebv is better. more classic building. good blade with bad handle.
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hmm...I'm not thinking about the ebenholz V,as far as I'm concerned,the blades i would go for is only rosewood V and VII
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well i didnt try the ebVII, but here many high level players are using the rosewood VII , i bought it.. its a fantastic blade!!!!
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could someone please tell me why do the pros like 5plys all wood blade better than 7plys all wood blade?Thanks
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Originally posted by danie danie wrote:

could someone please tell me why do the pros like 5plys all wood blade better than 7plys all wood blade?Thanks

The PROs like 7plys all wood blades better than 5ply all wood blades. Butterfly SK7 is very popular and some use Stiga Clipper.
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not quite so sure if more Chinese provincial level players play with Cipper (7-ply) or Energy Wood (its 5-ply companion) 
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Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Originally posted by danie danie wrote:

could someone please tell me why do the pros like 5plys all wood blade better than 7plys all wood blade?Thanks

The PROs like 7plys all wood blades better than 5ply all wood blades. Butterfly SK7 is very popular and some use Stiga Clipper.

really?XX,Guo Yan and a few others from china,i see them using 5 ply blades,not 7
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80% of them... consider also that alc/zlf/zlc and so on are ALL 7 ply.....
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Originally posted by eecrive eecrive wrote:

80% of them... consider also that alc/zlf/zlc and so on are ALL 7 ply.....

err....i'm talking about all wood blades,not composite blades
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just get a premade 
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Originally posted by eecrive eecrive wrote:

well i didnt try the ebVII, but here many high level players are using the rosewood VII , i bought it.. its a fantastic blade!!!!
 
 
 
here?  where?
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Ebenholz VII is ligther than Rosewood VII and Rosewood V.
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Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Ebenholz VII is ligther than Rosewood VII and Rosewood V.


The Rosewood NCT V that I have weighs 93.5 gr and my Ebenholz NCT V 95.5 gr, they are both heavy...
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Originally posted by johnny89atc johnny89atc wrote:

Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Ebenholz VII is ligther than Rosewood VII and Rosewood V.


The Rosewood NCT V that I have weighs 93.5 gr and my Ebenholz NCT V 95.5 gr, they are both heavy...

Really! 
My Ebenholz VII is 91 gr! So, I'm lucky, I got a lightweight Ebenholz VII!
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my rosewood is 96, but with Legend handle....
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the ebenholz that anton gave me was 89 gms LOL
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yogi, which ebenholz
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Originally posted by lilactime031 lilactime031 wrote:

yogi, which ebenholz

His signature says Eb7. 

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ok,so,will someone tell me whether the rosewood v is flexible or not?and is it hard?and the ebenholz v too,is it flexible?Thanks
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Chinese national team has been focusing on wood blades because of the superior control it offers. This gives player better placement, also wood generally offers more dwell time and produce better spin. The three factors considered to win a game is placement, spin and speed, the last onr is achieved by the player, hit the ball harder, use waste rotation to give ball more speed. However recent changes in rules for bigger balls and non-volatile glues are forcing them to look at more options, such as carbon blades. Zhangjike has ben using viscaria for the longest time, malong recently switched over to timoboll spirit. They are looking to increase the spin of the ball. 5ply has a distinct advantage for counter-looping, it uses much of the opponents force to deform the blade to return the ball. The problem of using a carbon blade with T05, for example is its compketely relying on the rubber to spin the ball and catapole the ball out, two distinct problem are one the ball has a high arch, two the ceiling effect (rubber can only do so much). so with wood blade you use flex wood and rubber to retunr the ball, better control better spin. traditionally wooden blades are slower, hopefully rosewood has solved that problem. i talked to xuxin, he swears by it.
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gosh....you go me tempted to go back to all wood blades...maybe I should be getting the rosewood blade....but then again, I like the feel of the viscaria...do you know whether the feel of the rosewood is similar to the viscaria? Thanks
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I am trying to find that out myself...I am looking for a rosewood 5 blade :) I have viscaria now...there seems to be a ceiling effect when looping away from the table...
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