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spinnmaster 
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Have anyone tryed this rubber? how does it play?
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Stavros
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 3:36pm |
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It is like a VOC speed glued Sriver EL. Medium-soft sponge. Slightly slower than T64 and Calibra LT. Medium throw angle, lower than T64, higher than Calibra LT. Good spin, slightly less than T64 but more than Calibra LT. Blocks, short game, service return is better than T64 and Calibra LT. It looks very durable but I'm not sure. Made in Japan, of course. Excellent backhand rubber, opens the game with looping very easily and counter hits and blocks very well. It is used by Wang Liquin on b/h.
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 3:52pm |
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I thought it was a very poor backhand rubber....
Dead sponge and slick topsheet without any sound. Little spin as well. |
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 7:46pm |
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http://tenergy05.com/rubbers/hammond-pro-beta-review-day-1-tenergy-killer-different-sense
i wrote this review.. but stopped playing the rubber as the grip deteriorated pretty soon and openings sufferred. |
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I don't think he is using it now. I saw a documentary in which it showed all the Chinese National team players just just chillin and they happened to get a glimpse of the players gluing on their rubbers. Wang liqin was gluing on a Tenergy rubber.
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Posted: 03/31/2011 at 8:30pm |
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Good rubber, relatively high throw and spinny compared with Tenergy series, sponge is a liittle too soft but easy to control as well as loop. Quite durable so far (6 monthes).
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I would agree it's a balanced bh rubber, probably fits better on blades with harder outer ply or carbon
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Does anybody know the weight (per cm2) of this rubber?
I like the descriptions I have read so far, and I think it would go well with my new OSP Expert All+, but I do not like head-heavy bats. Alternatively, would you say Sinus Sound would be a good/better option? (looking for light, spinny and with good control).
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Posted: 11/24/2012 at 9:27am |
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my red max sheet is 0.196 g/cm2
It is soft and light, bouncy to some extent, throw is comparable to Mark V slightly higher maybe. I liked it on OSP V- bh. |
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Cool, that sounds light enough. What did you have on your forehand at the time?
I am actually thinking of combining: Tibhar Sinous Sound forehand, Nittaku Hammond beta backhand. My only doubt is that the backhand would be heavier than the forehand, normally people have the weights the other way round. Do you think this would be detrimental for racket balance?
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Posted: 11/24/2012 at 3:35pm |
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NHpB is lighter than Sinous Sound, but the two are similar in speed, torque and stiffness. Ideal rubber for BH, if you play a style similar WL powerful FH and BH block. Use blade with flex, does not play well with hard and stiff blades
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Gustau
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Posted: 11/24/2012 at 3:52pm |
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That sounds just about perfect, then; the OSP All+ does have a reputation for being a very flexy blade, so it should work well. We'll see about that, then.
If the weights are comparable, the decission is made; I think that the Sinus Sound has high throw that would be handy for my forehand, and the Hammond pro is low throw and good for backhand. I will pair them and see how it goes... Thanks to all for your feedack!
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Posted: 11/25/2012 at 2:48am |
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I think you will like it. I'm also considering to use Hammond Pro B again on my b/h. |
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I am thinking of replacing T64 BH for the time being with NHpB just to see how it plays on a nittakku blade ;
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Posted: 01/15/2013 at 12:09am |
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NHpB is more of all round rubber compared to a looping style like t64.if you hits more than loop, you may like it. Nittaku is good in producing Light and all round rubbers.
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I have just started playing with it and I like it. It is indeed a very allround rubber, good for looping but also capable of short play and even chopping. It is more controllable (more feedback, I guess also a tad slower) than the Tibhar Sinus Sound that I have on my forehahd.
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Posted: 05/14/2013 at 9:48pm |
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There is no way Sinus Sound is faster than Hammond Pro Beta. If anything, it has a little higher throw.
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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i just ordered a hammond pro beta in red 1.9 for my backhand after using tenergy for the last year solid on the BH. Before Tenergy, used Hammond X 1.9 and then 2.1. I remember getting a lot of success and use out of Hammond X. They last about the same as a tenergy, maybe a little less easy to tear.
Hammond X was a wonderful backhand rubber. Tenergy is great and all, but with less practice lately, I'm looking for something a little less great. :) The only pro player who I think is using Beta is Chan Kazuhiro on BH, and his BH is about as ridiculous as it gets. Sick drives and counters.
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I like this rubber for backhand quite a bit; good for flicks, pushes, blocks and hits, I am not sure about slow loops, rather not, maybe on a flex blade...
I recently purchased two NHProBetas, red and black, both in 2.1. There is a difference in performance: the black is lighter and softer (nicer), the red is heavier and somewhat harder. I shelved the red sheet...
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 at 7:37pm |
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is anybody knows why is says thickness 1.9-2.2mm? what thickness I will get if I buy it?
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Posted: 12/14/2013 at 10:25pm |
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What do you mean? You can buy either 1.9 or 2.1: Do other vendors describe the rubber in other terms?
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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yes. here Edited by piligrim - 12/15/2013 at 7:42am |
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You know, this is interesting, now as you mentioned this. I use this rubber a lot and I did have sheets that were thicker than the 1.9 I like. I even contacted Jim at PP, but the conclusion was that this is normal. I think it is. After some time of playing (say 3-4 sessions, the 1.9 looks like a real 1.9 now (slowly becomes a bit thinner). I think it is the sponge material variability due to some volatile tuning, and depending how old the sheet is. Importantly, after the break-in, all are consistently the same, in my experience. |
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Posted: 12/25/2013 at 7:08pm |
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I found this explanation of the thickness conundrum over at OOAK Forums, here --
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