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KLHfans 
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Hi all:
My Butterfly Zhang-Jike blade (FL) arrives this morning. The handle is much thicker than the usual
butterfly blades and I feel great just holding it. The blade weighs 90g, a bit heavy than my usual setup, so I will stick my 1.9mm Tenergy (instead of 2.1mm) for now in testing it.
The blade looks liked Viscaria to me but the handle is more bulky than Viscaria. Great feeling
on the handle. The dwell time is great for this blade as I can grab the ball when looping quite
easily. Backhand is great for this blade, as I don't need to adapt to this blade for executing
my backhand loop off the bounce from inside as well as away from table. I do need to adjust to
the forehand loop as it's heavier than my KLHS (ALC) beforehand. Overall, I like it so far.
happy-ping-pong
klhfans
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bayttplayer
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Posted: 08/09/2011 at 7:07pm |
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why don't you use KLH..
Is it 90g too heavy to you? I think you should ask for the weigh you want when you order it.
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KLHfans
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Posted: 08/09/2011 at 7:11pm |
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I asked for the lightest one but they only offer a 90g for me! I think ZJK ALC is heavy!
Have you found your new blade yet after selling many of your great weapons?
I might have to change my alias from KLHfans to ZJKfans soon!
KLHfans --> ZJKfans
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Thaidog
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Posted: 08/09/2011 at 7:30pm |
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What size is the handle? Is it bigger than the Timo ALC?
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Timo ALC FL
Tibhar Grip S MAx Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm He never boosts... of course he never had to... |
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bayttplayer
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poor guy...no money...
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so, I just use my broken Ti5.4 until not working anymore..
BTW, I have 2 unopen bryce speed FX red max...sell for $105...let me know if you have any friend want it...poor guy...no money...
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mizutani_jun
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Posted: 08/09/2011 at 7:53pm |
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What is the outer ply?
limba or koto? |
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sweetstrike
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Posted: 08/09/2011 at 8:04pm |
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Very nice looking handle. Simple and elegant. The top plies kinda look like ayous? and the core maybe limba?
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AllezCho
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Posted: 08/09/2011 at 8:42pm |
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Outer ply is definitely Koto.
Nice blade! How much did you get it for? 
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nittakuball
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Posted: 08/10/2011 at 8:27pm |
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Hi,can i know where u can get it now,I dint think japan have stock untill Aug 21, I guess you can get it now at china and hong kong... Edited by nittakuball - 08/10/2011 at 8:37pm |
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The KLHS is a light blade, so it's not surprising that the 90g seems heavy. My backup blade is KLSH at 83 g and my main blade is TB ALC at 93 g. Is the new blade carbon arylate also? You mentioned a bigger handle and someone asked for a comparison to the TB ALC; I'd be interested in your answer to that too. The KLHS handle is smaller and more oval (round) compared to the TB ALC handle, although I've gotten used to going back and forth. |
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Posted: 08/11/2011 at 10:33am |
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Any review about the blade?
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Timo Boll ALC ST
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what 'the difference between alc and zlc?
btw looks delicious;) |
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KLHfans
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Posted: 08/11/2011 at 2:12pm |
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I got it at Japan. They claim that the blade is available on 8/21 but if you make the
pre-order early enough, they will ship it out once they get it.
I made the pre-order on 7/28 or so, the second day when they posted the availability
of the pre-order on the Japan website.
One can also get the blade in China, (usually Taobao.com) and China also sells
both the FL and the CS version while Japan only sells FL but no CS version.
I am not 100% sure if Zhang Jike is using this blade, since he won his world championship
with Viscaria he picked on the shelf from a regular commercial store instead of from BTY specialized
made for him. However, I saw Chen Qi is using ZJK-FL on the picture someone took. I would
assume since ZJK is a BTY sponsored player, he will be asked to use this new blade and I
really doubt if this new blade going to be significantly different from Viscaria, beside the
thicker handle(which for me, is the best feeling handle I have so far, I have tested more than
closed to 100+ BTY blades and other stiga/DHS blades before and make my statement).
BTY has stopped Viscaria production and I would assume this is a replacement of Viscaria.
klhfans --> zjkfans
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nittakuball
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Posted: 08/21/2011 at 5:06am |
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any review |
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Posted: 08/21/2011 at 6:23am |
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I think that ejmaster made a small review in another thread...
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Posted: 08/21/2011 at 7:16am |
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The zjk blade is different from the Viscaria zjk is supposed to use. In fact zjk seems still has not change his blade. And if he does maybe he will change the handle.
I am using a heavy and thick Viscaria that looks similar to zjks one and i do not like the zjk blade as much. The zjk blade is stiffer and harder but much less sensitive. I do not feel as comfortable as playing with the viscaria or the tb alc. though less vibration in the zjk, it has worse control. The heavy Viscaria is more powerful than the zjk i received. Maybe other Viscarias feel different. Blocking with the zjk is more difficult. In fact in the videos both chen qi and yan an seem to have also some issues when blocking with the ball going flat long. Chen qi and Yan An are using the zjk blade. I sold the blade to a friend in the ejclub who maybe is going to like it more than me.
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rpbnakata
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Posted: 08/21/2011 at 9:13am |
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I was afraid of this, the ZJK blade being stiffer and harder because of Arylate-Carbon layer position. Innerforce ALC has the layer located under 2 layers of wood, but in this ZJK blade it´s located under the first layer of wood.
I will think twice if I´m really gonna get one.
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nittakuball
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Hi,so you guys saying that ZJK-FL is more harder and faster than Viscaria ?
If this is right i going to get one because i try the Viscaria and is too soft and abit slow for me.
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ZJK-FL is harder, faster, and has more solid feel than Viscaria. The Flared handle is kinda bigger and squarish instead of round which makes it more stable when blocking. |
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weight is important. a 87 gr viscaria is not the same as a 94 gr. viscaria. besides there are different batches or series. i had several viscarias and there were noticeable differences. heavy weight arylate carbon (tb alc, viscaria, mm) are all very stable to block. however the zjk is harder than those ones to control blocking. the harder feel imo does not help. The handle is not bigger than what it used to be in tb alc, tbs. It looks but it is not. And it is not squarish. Maybe flattens a little bit. It is not anything special. It does not bring anything better.
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most alc blades have the same order of composition. just the innerforce is as you mentioned
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rpbnakata
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Well, I thought twice and despite some reviews here I just got my Zhang Jike. Went to Tokyo today and choose among 5 blades in 2 TT stores. It is heavy. Weight variation went from 86g to 92g. I picked an 88g exemplar. There are also small differences in shape and handle from one blade to another, craftsmanship is good but not so regular. I found some to measure 156x149mm. Mine is 157.5x150mm. I also picked the thickest one in handle, measuring 23.5mm in the middle of handle (yes, I always carry a paquimeter when I go shopping). Some others were very narrow, with 22mm at the same section. I would buy a Iolite Neo but its handle is just awful, too thin and the blade becomes head-heavy. I definately give up this blade. |
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this is the way to shop, with all the tools in hand, lol. nice buy. however ... if you pick the bigger blade face with the thickest handle in 88 gr. i guess the blade maybe is a little bit thinner or less solid (less powerful) what i wouldn't advice about it. it is complicated to have everything in life. i would get the 92 gr. sample. handle in anycase is ok. imo. the zjk i got was fast but not so powerful, and the handle was fine but not thick.
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EJ Club. MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.
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could someone tell me how this new zjk blade compares to the iolite? not neo but just normal iolite? thanks
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I used T05 on my ZJK blade tonite, it was balanced and easy to play with. I've had 3 Iolite Neo blades before, my conclusion is that the ZJK blade is a re-badged Iolite Neo.
They both play exactly the same, very nicely.
 there were no adjustments needed.ZJK + National T05(2.1) + Dawei 388C-1 (1.8) = Perfection.  Its my main blade now.Edited by jt99sf - 09/07/2011 at 4:38pm |
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iolite neo? interesting....
i was thinking rebadged viscaria or viscaria light.... what's the thickness of ZJK? Iolite neo i think is 7.5mm, while Viscaria is 5.8mm.
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so it doesnt play like the original viscaria?
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No, not at all that slow. Very crisp & precise shots.
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I don't think he was being literal. Iolite Neo is very thick with Hinoki outer plies. Very different construction from ZJK. But maybe they do play very similar. |
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The ZJK (5.7) is thinner than the Iolite Neo (7.2), plays very similar. I'll post pics soon.
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