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Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

Originally posted by Vassily Vassily wrote:

For a hitting style surely the blade is more important than sponge thickness? Just curious, Dalamchops where are you getting your info from?


I've been coached by both Yang Shigang and Kim Bong Geun, 2 of the best SP penhold players in the country. They both use insanely fast blades and rubbers.

what blades and rubbers?


When Kim was still in ATL (he's in LA now) he used Spectol Glued (before ban) and Moristo SP after, used a customized cpen w/ jpen cork by Donic. Before he left i gave him my TB ZLC-CS, and he used that.

Shigang used a spintech blade (was sponsored) and rubber when i trained w/ him. It was an 802-40 rebrand. That was when he was still experimenting so i have no idea what he's using now.
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Moristo SP is a good rubber.  David Zhuang recommended it to me several years ago and his student was using it.  I tried it and like the good control. For Nittaku sp rubbers,  Hammond FA is faster than Moristo SP.   However, the top sheet of Hammond FA is less gripped (a bit slippery), just like Spectol, because the top sheet is less vulcanized.  In Chinese TT circles, these kind of sp rubbers are branded as semi-authentic  and semi-raw short pips rubbers.

I guess the Spintech blade Yang Shigang used  is Carrera , very simlar to Primorac Carbon in structure (3-ply wood, 2 carbon layers, Hinoki surface veneer) and touch.  Just a little bit stiffer than Primorac Carbon.   I have a Carrera blade, cut to a penhold handle from a shakehand handle, which was given to me as a farewell gift from a TT friend who returned to China two years ago.  He was Sara Fu's coach  years ago, back in Sichuan, China.
 
Calvin: Have you ever used Taksim?  If yes, how do you compare it to TB ZLS-CS?  I am looking for an  old-designed Taksim.
 
By the way,  have you received the Primorac carbon blade I sent to you?


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Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

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Moristo SP is a good rubber.  David Zhuang recommended it to me several years ago and his student was using it.  I tried it and like the good control. For Nittaku sp rubbers,  Hammond FA is faster than Moristo SP.   However, the top sheet of Hammond FA is less gripped (a bit slippery), just like Spectol, because the top sheet is less vulcanized.  In Chinese TT circles, these kind of sp rubbers are branded as semi-authentic  and semi-raw short pips rubbers.

I guess the Spintech blade Yang Shigang used  is Carrera , very simlar to Primorac Carbon in structure (3-ply wood, 2 carbon layers, Hinoki surface veneer) and touch.  Just a little bit stiffer than Primorac Carbon.   I have a Carrera blade, cut to a penhold handle from a shakehand handle, which was given to me as a farewell gift from a TT friend who returned to China two years ago.  He was Sara Fu's coach  years ago, back in Sichuan, China.
 
Calvin: Have you ever used Taksim?  If yes, how do you compare it to TB ZLS-CS?  I am looking for an  old-designed Taksim.
 
By the way,  have you received the Primorac carbon blade I sent to you?

the question is what are using the players that used to play with 802? I m thinking of dolphin,flarestorm,moristo sp
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Moristo SP is a good rubber.  David Zhuang recommended it to me several years ago and his student was using it.  I tried it and like the good control. For Nittaku sp rubbers,  Hammond FA is faster than Moristo SP.   However, the top sheet of Hammond FA is less gripped (a bit slippery), just like Spectol, because the top sheet is less vulcanized.  In Chinese TT circles, these kind of sp rubbers are branded as semi-authentic  and semi-raw short pips rubbers.

I guess the Spintech blade Yang Shigang used  is Carrera , very simlar to Primorac Carbon in structure (3-ply wood, 2 carbon layers, Hinoki surface veneer) and touch.  Just a little bit stiffer than Primorac Carbon.   I have a Carrera blade, cut to a penhold handle from a shakehand handle, which was given to me as a farewell gift from a TT friend who returned to China two years ago.  He was Sara Fu's coach  years ago, back in Sichuan, China.
 
Calvin: Have you ever used Taksim?  If yes, how do you compare it to TB ZLS-CS?  I am looking for an  old-designed Taksim.
 
By the way,  have you received the Primorac carbon blade I sent to you?


Never tried Taksim, Butterfly never releases good PH blades in the US (besides PC), everything else is all in China. I usually have someone that special orders all my CPENS in HK (Photino, T5000, ZLC)
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TO Calvin:
 
--What blade are you now using?
 
--You mean if I want to get a Taksim, I should look for it in HK or China.  But I heard there are a lot of fake Taksim blades in China. 
 
 
 
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I live in New Jersey, USA, close to New York.  There are quite a few previous Chinese professional short pips players in this area.   I know all of them.

--Li Yuxiang used 802-40, on a Donic carbon blade with a wood veneer added to the backside by himself.

--David Zhuang used Speed P.O. (1.9mm), on a Iilote carbon blade,  for several years.  I just heard that he switched to Flarestorm after the speed glue ban.  

--About one year ago,  I saw Lily Yip used Stiga Clippa (2.0mm), on a very worn-out Stiga Alluminum blade.  I don't know whether she is still using this equipment.

--A young female short pips player Liu Naihui (formerly in Chinese National Team) is now in the same club I am with.  She uses TSP Tyranno (2.2 mm), on an  old China-made all-wood blade (Model 032, polular in the 1970s and 1980s). She recently won US Open Woman Singles Champion, beating Zheng Jiaqi 4-2 in the final.  You can find their match on You Tube.  Liu  has a unique two-wing attacking style (the traditional style known as the "Zhuang Zedong style").  Her backhand attacking skills are amazing.  (not RPB).
 
--I heard He Zhiwen is still using 802, on an all-wood Chinese blade  (Model 032 OR 08).
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

 
TO Calvin:
 
--What blade are you now using?
 
--You mean if I want to get a Taksim, I should look for it in HK or China.  But I heard there are a lot of fake Taksim blades in China. 
 
 
 


There is a penhold equivalent to almost every butterfly shakehand blades available in China. They are not released anywhere else in the world (not even Japan). It's specifically for the Chinese market.
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Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

To: bbkon

I live in New Jersey, USA, close to New York.  There are quite a few previous Chinese professional short pips players in this area.   I know all of them.

--Li Yuxiang used 802-40, on a Donic carbon blade with a wood veneer added to the backside by himself.

--David Zhuang used Speed P.O. (1.9mm), on a Iilote carbon blade,  for several years.  I just heard that he switched to Flarestorm after the speed glue ban.  

--About one year ago,  I saw Lily Yip used Stiga Clippa (2.0mm), on a very worn-out Stiga Alluminum blade.  I don't know whether she is still using this equipment.

--A young female short pips player Liu Naihui (formerly in Chinese National Team) is now in the same club I am with.  She uses TSP Tyranno (2.2 mm), on an  old China-made all-wood blade (Model 032, polular in the 1970s and 1980s). She recently won US Open Woman Singles Champion, beating Zheng Jiaqi 4-2 in the final.  You can find their match on You Tube.  Liu  has a unique two-wing attacking style (the traditional style known as the "Zhuang Zedong style").  Her backhand attacking skills are amazing.  (not RPB).
 
--I heard He Zhiwen is still using 802, on an all-wood Chinese blade  (Model 032 OR 08).
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 


nice info but i heard that many ex 802 players are using dolphin now but i  need some some proof of hiher ranked played not coaches but again apreciate your help, what do you know about pips information in chinese forums?  the pips used by top juniors must be known in that sites
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Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

To: dalamchops

Moristo SP is a good rubber.  David Zhuang recommended it to me several years ago and his student was using it.  I tried it and like the good control. For Nittaku sp rubbers,  Hammond FA is faster than Moristo SP.   However, the top sheet of Hammond FA is less gripped (a bit slippery), just like Spectol, because the top sheet is less vulcanized.  In Chinese TT circles, these kind of sp rubbers are branded as semi-authentic  and semi-raw short pips rubbers.

I guess the Spintech blade Yang Shigang used  is Carrera , very simlar to Primorac Carbon in structure (3-ply wood, 2 carbon layers, Hinoki surface veneer) and touch.  Just a little bit stiffer than Primorac Carbon.   I have a Carrera blade, cut to a penhold handle from a shakehand handle, which was given to me as a farewell gift from a TT friend who returned to China two years ago.  He was Sara Fu's coach  years ago, back in Sichuan, China.
 
Calvin: Have you ever used Taksim?  If yes, how do you compare it to TB ZLS-CS?  I am looking for an  old-designed Taksim.
 
By the way,  have you received the Primorac carbon blade I sent to you?

is david zhuang student also a penholder?  which nittaku rubber works (cork) like a glued rubber? how are they compared to flasrestorm and dolphin?
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That David Zhuang's student I mentioned was a teenage boy, about 14 or 15 years old  at that time.  He is a shakehand player,  with short pips (Moristo SP) in forehand, and inverted rubber ( I don't remember) in backhand.  Zhuang's another student, also a teenager and a penholder player, used Speed P.O. on a Mazunov blade,  cut to the penhold handle from the original  shakehand handle.  Mazunov  is an  all-wood Butterfly blade, with a hard, but not very stiff touch, about 6.8 mm in thickness.  I didn't see the two boys playing in the past one and half year or so.
 
Nittaku sponges are good, for both sp and inverted rubbers.  For sp rubbers, however, the top sheet of Hammon FA is a little bit slippery,  which I don't like.  Hammon FA is very silimar to TSP Spectol, in both sponge touch and top sheet slippery feeling (the so-called "raw pips" in Chinese TT terminology) .  I tried Moristo SP for a short time, and the sponge is a little bit softer than Hammond FA, but the top sheet is better than Hammond FA.
 
For TSP sp rubbers,  I tried Spectol, Spectol 21, Super Spin Pips, and Super Spin Pips 21.  I  like Super Spin Pips (2.0mm) most.   I have not tried Tyranno, which is described as the fastest sp rubber.
 
For Butterfly sp rubbers,  I tried Speed P. O.  Speed P.O. Soft, and Flarestorm.   I llike Flarestorm (1.9) most,  I am now using it, but I am thinking of changing it to 2.1 mm.
 
I also tried Stiga Cliippa and Joola Ultra Tango.   I like none of  them.  In my personal opinion, Joola Ultra Tango is the worst short pips rubber,  too soft and bouncing.  No hitting touch at all.
 
When I picked up the game again in early 2007 after my  25-year absence in the court,  I used Chinese sp rubber  802 for awhile.  Frankly speaking, this is  an authentic or orthodox short pips rubber in the true  sense.   The top sheet is well vulcanized, not slippery at all.  Good control and hitting.  The sponge (Frienship "reactor" sponge) is  OK,  with 35 degrees in hardness/softness.  However, compared to Butterfly, TSP  and Nittaku sponges, the Chinese sponge is still inferior in quality.  With less tension and flexibility, it lacks the power and speed. 
 
I heard Donic Baxter F1-A (2.0mm, only one thickness) has been very popular in China in recent years.  Chinese TT fans  label it " King of Short Pips Rubber."   I have not tried it, but someone told me it's very similar to Spectol and Hammond FA, the same old story: good sponge yet slippery top sheet.
 
I have not tried Haifu/Dolphin, but  I have doubts over the quality of Chinese sponges.
 
The selection of blade and/or rubber is very subjective .  Your personal hand feeling or touch determines your taste and final selection.
 
I like trying and testing different combinations of short pips rubbers and blades.  This is my hobby, sort of addiction.


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Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

To: bbkon
 
That David Zhuang's student I mentioned was a teenage boy, about 14 or 15 years old  at that time.  He is a shakehand player,  with short pips (Moristo SP) in forehand, and inverted rubber ( I don't remember) in backhand.  Zhuang's another student, also a teenager and a penholder player, used Speed P.O. on a Mazunov blade,  cutting to the penhold handle from the original  shakehand handle.  Mazunov  is an  all-wood Butterfly blade, with a hard, but not very stiff touch, about 6.8 mm in thickness.  I didn't see the two boys playing in the past one and half year or so.
 
Nittaku sponges are good, for both sp and inverted rubbers.  For sp rubbers, however, the top sheet of Hammon FA is a little bit slippery,  which I don't like.  Hammon FA is very silimar to TSP Spectol, in both sponge touch and top sheet slippery feeling (the so-called "raw pips" in Chinese TT terminology) .  I tried Moristo SP for a short time, and the sponge is a little bit softer than Hammond FA, but the top sheet is better than Hammond FA.
 
For TSP sp rubbers,  I tried Spectol, Spectol 21, Super Spin Pips, and Super Spin Pips 21.  I  like Super Spin Pips (2.0mm) most.   I have not tried Tyranno, which is described as the fastest sp rubber.
 
For Butterfly sp rubbers,  I tried Speed P. O.  Speed P.O. Soft, and Flarestorm.   I llike Flarestorm (1.9) most,  I am now using it, but I am thinking of changing it to 2.1 mm.
 
I also tried Stiga Cliippa and Joola Ultra Tango.   I like none of  them.  In my personal opinion, Joola Ultra Tango is the worst short pips rubber,  too soft and bouncing.  No hitting touch at all.
 
When I picked up the game again in early 2007 after my  25-year absence in the court,  I used Chinese sp rubber  802 for awhile.  Frankly speaking, this is  an authentic or orthodox short pips rubber in the true  sense.   The top sheet is well vulcanized, not slippery at all.  Good control and hitting.  The sponge (Frienship "reactor" sponge) is  OK,  with 35 degrees in hardness/softness.  However, compared to Butterfly, TSP  and Nittaku sponges, the Chinese sponge is still inferior in quality.  With less tension and flexibility, it lacks the power and speed. 
 
I heard Donic Baxter F1-A (2.0mm, only one thickness) has been very popular in China in recent years.  Chinese TT fans  label it " King of Short Pips Rubber."   I have not tried it, but someone told me it's very similar to Spectol and Hammond FA, the same old story: good sponge yet slippery top sheet.
 
I have not tried Haifu/Dolphin, but  I have doubts over the quality of Chinese sponges.
 
The selection of blade and/or rubber is very subjective .  Your personal hand feeling or touch determines your taste and final selection.
 
I like trying and testing different combinations of short pips rubbers and blades.  This is my hobby, sort of addiction.

nice post!!!  do you know  what is the fav pips for penholder in chinese forums and  wonder if there is new cpen hitters in china and what they use? I played with tyranno but the pips started to fall


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Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

Does anybody know Zheng Jiaqi's equipment?  She is a penhold short pips player with RPB.


I want to know her blade,  short pips rubber (sponge thickness) and backside smooth rubber.

 

Thanks in advance.


I talked to Jiaqi last nite, she uses Bty T5000 CPen and Haifu rubbers (red sponge). Same as Li Jiawei.
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That's Haifu Dolphin and Haifu Shark II if it's the same as Li Jaiwei, although Li Jaiwei wasn't using the red sponge versions as of a few months ago
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Are you sure Liu Naihui uses 032?  Isn't she using CL as shown from these pictures?
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Are you sure Liu Naihui uses 032?  Isn't she using CL as shown from these pictures?

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Screen captures from her interview video taken in Lily Yip TTC.
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Screen captures from her interview video taken in Lily Yip TTC.

It seems that this is her practice blade.  She uses 032 for games.
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Jiaqi uses bty tb t-5000, short pips are express ultra and rpb rubber is tenergy 05fx. From the sound it sounds like max on fh and 2.1 on bh. This is the most recent equip that was used last month at the rockford college championship in IL.

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Originally posted by Zach Moy Zach Moy wrote:

Jiaqi uses bty tb t-5000, short pips are express ultra and rpb rubber is tenergy 05fx. From the sound it sounds like max on fh and 2.1 on bh. This is the most recent equip that was used last month at the rockford college championship in IL.

sounds odd for me she s playing with express
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I see it's a year and a half later now.

Any update on Zheng Jiaqi's equipment? I started penhold recently and I'm very interested to know opinions on using Tenergy 05 FX for RPB, as Zheng Jiaqi apparently does.

As for FH, I already ordered JOOLA Ultra Tango before I saw the negative comments about it in this thread. But I guess I'll give it a go anyway. 
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try the joola express ultra, it has a firmer sponge...
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Originally posted by FlatHitter FlatHitter wrote:

try the joola express ultra, it has a firmer sponge...

EU is not so good it can work if your level is not high and incoming loops are not spinny, too mild to be dangerous and the tuning efect fades away quick,any chinese pips is better
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Nice to see Zheng recently made the U.S. Pan Am Team.

The Team USA site says she's given up her Butterfly Timo Boll T5000 and JOOLA UE SP for a Stiga racket and Stiga SP.  I guess this was due to a Stiga sponsorship deal.  She still uses T05 FX on her reverse penhold backhand.

Anyone know which Stiga racket and SP she's using? I'm guessing the SP may be Radical or Clippa.

For nearly a month I've been using JUE and T05 FX on my Butterfly Chinese Tamca ULC. I'm learning to handle the JUE, but I'm curious about a few other SPs including BTY Challenger Attack, Radical and Clippa. I'm ready to try whatever setup Zheng is using, including the Stiga Racket :)
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Originally posted by interact215 interact215 wrote:

Nice to see Zheng recently made the U.S. Pan Am Team.

The Team USA site says she's given up her Butterfly Timo Boll T5000 and JOOLA UE SP for a Stiga racket and Stiga SP.  I guess this was due to a Stiga sponsorship deal.  She still uses T05 FX on her reverse penhold backhand.

Anyone know which Stiga racket and SP she's using? I'm guessing the SP may be Radical or Clippa.

For nearly a month I've been using JUE and T05 FX on my Butterfly Chinese Tamca ULC. I'm learning to handle the JUE, but I'm curious about a few other SPs including BTY Challenger Attack, Radical and Clippa. I'm ready to try whatever setup Zheng is using, including the Stiga Racket :)



whata about the ULC blade? impresions please
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I wanted to try short pips on a few fast, stiff, hard blades to emulate Zheng's style.  Also, I wanted a light blade at max weight of 85g. I only tried each one for a couple of weeks, but the BTY Chinese Tamca ULC gave be the best results. It is indeed fast, stiff, and hard, as advertised. The control has been decent. Below are the other c-pen rackets I tried in this category. They're all good and I will probably try out the Xiom and Andro more, but the BTY ULC performed the best.
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As mentioned, I'm curious which Stiga blade Zheng has switched to. 
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Originally posted by interact215 interact215 wrote:

I wanted to try short pips on a few fast, stiff, hard blades to emulate Zheng's style.  Also, I wanted a light blade at max weight of 85g. I only tried each one for a couple of weeks, but the BTY Chinese Tamca ULC gave be the best results. It is indeed fast, stiff, and hard, as advertised. The control has been decent. Below<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> are the other c-pen rackets I tried in this category. They're all good and I will probably try out the Xiom and Andro more, but the BTY ULC performed the best.</span>
Xiom Stradivarius
Andro Temper Tech OFF+
Yinhe/Galaxy T-11+

As mentioned, I'm curious which Stiga blade Zheng has switched to. 




Clipper wood
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thanks thatguy- 

When you say "Clipper Wood", is that the "Clipper (Classic)", the "Clipper WRB", or the "Clipper CR WRB"? 

Any idea which Stiga short pips Zheng uses?

That's interesting she changed from the Tamca 5000 blade to all wood.
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...waiting for her reply, i thought she was using Clipper CC with tenergy but she must have been going thru testing equipment phase?  :p


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I got impatient and couldn't wait to hear which Stiga Clipper blade and Stiga SP Zheng uses. I went ahead and ordered a Clipper Classic w/ Stiga Clippa SP and T05-FX on RPB. 

If anyone confirms her current setup please post.
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by interact215 interact215 wrote:

Nice to see Zheng recently made the U.S. Pan Am Team.

The Team USA site says she's given up her Butterfly Timo Boll T5000 and JOOLA UE SP for a Stiga racket and Stiga SP.  I guess this was due to a Stiga sponsorship deal.  She still uses T05 FX on her reverse penhold backhand.

Anyone know which Stiga racket and SP she's using? I'm guessing the SP may be Radical or Clippa.

For nearly a month I've been using JUE and T05 FX on my Butterfly Chinese Tamca ULC. I'm learning to handle the JUE, but I'm curious about a few other SPs including BTY Challenger Attack, Radical and Clippa. I'm ready to try whatever setup Zheng is using, including the Stiga Racket :)



whata about the ULC blade? impresions please

I owned and played with the Chinese ULC blade a few years ago before I switched to TB T5000.  The blade has a hinoki outer ply if I remember correctly.  Slim cpen handle good for wrist rotation.  The speed is there for a carbon blade, but I think the power could have been improved if the weight was a bit higher.  I didn't have a scale back then, but I believe it was in the mid-80s.  A great blade overall, but if one seeks for more power/speed, I'd suggest changing it to TB T5000 or even a Rosewood 7 cpen.
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