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zrrbiteDK
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For a while now i've been looking for a new blade. Up untill now i've been generally happy with the Avalox BT 777, and am a long time fan of 7-layered wooden attack blades. I was blessed with a 79,5g BT 777 some years ago and it's always been the blade i returned to after the occasional stint of EJ'ing in search of that which would propel my game to stardom. Don't judge me, i know you've been there too. I'm also very picky about the handles i use, and it's been a hassle finding one that fits my small hand, the BT 777 being the closest match so far with it's short and stout handle. Given some of the discussions on this forum i was intriegued by Ma Longs choice in handles, which prompted me to order a PG-series blade from eacheng, the PG7. At the same time, i was looking to stray from my long time loveaffair with japanese tensor rubbers in the Nittaku Narucross series and ordered a few 38 deg. Haifu Whale II, red sponge rubbers from powerpingpong, keeping my stable companion Andro HeXer PowerSponge 2.1mm in the backhand. When i received the blade, it's weight of 90g had me concerned, being used to lighter setups. The head is a bit larger than the BT 777, which also increases the weight in terms of rubber mass. It felt heavy. But when i held it for the first time, i knew it was love at first shake despite it's weight and I honestly think this is the flared handle i've been searching for. Was it worth the wait? Sure was, because not only does the handle allow the headheaviness to play to an advantage rather than a disadvantage, but the feel of the wood is absolutely amazing. I've tried various rubbers, both chinese and tensors and they all feel amazing in their own way. Despite the inherent speed and hardness of the blade, it's as if rubbers gain a higher throw compared to the BT 777, spin is increased, and balls seem to home in on the opponents side of the table even when you're exerting yourself to provide maximum power to your loops and drives. Something i was never quite comfortable with on the BT 777, where rubbers seemed to have lower throws which allowed for fewer mistakes. After another 3 hour practice session today, i'm ready to make my conclusion. PG7 beats the BT 777 in almost every category except short play. My accuracy is up by 15%, something i attribute to both the improved throw characteristics and the fact that i can comfortably apply whatever force i require maybe because of my comfort with the PG7 handle. Combined with the incredible spin of the red sponge Whale II, successive loops against experienced long pip players seemed easy and required less work, allowing for quicker repositioning and better overview and placement after each shot. Being so consistent in regular drills was incredibly empowering because of the increased accuracy and surplus of overview. The heaviness of the blade with rubbers requires me to more work intensely and the blade does not forgive as much as the BT 777 does. But the setup feels so good to me that i've begun rubber-band training to let my wrist/arm become increasingly comfortable with it. After a week of doing rubber-band training i can already feel the change in my explosiveness and the weight of the blade has instead become a lethal asset. This blade is really, really exciting. I've stille got some ways to go before i'm 100% comfortable with it, but in my days of EJ'ing, i've never felt this amount of potential in any blade in this short a time of play. |
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szikorz
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Nice overview! Although I did not "fall in love" with the PG7 at first sight, I can confirm most of your impressions sit there as they are, except of the FL handle that my PG7 has and that is quite slim in the middle part of it for myself. Thanks for sharing your vital impressions.
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ray james
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Great review - i know how you feel when you discover a blade that suits ! Im in lucky position that my business partner owns table tennis shop (ttlinks.co.uk) and is the official distributor for DHS products in the UK . I stumbled across this blade about a year ago (pre Ma long using it !!) it arrived as sample. Ive tried majority the Off/Off+blades in the DHS range to provide reviews for the catalogue. I must say that PG7 is properly one of the best 7 ply blades I've used from the DHS range.
Paired with H3neo/Omega 1V pro, yes its heavy but i found looping, counter-hitting, blocking a breeze. One of the most underrated blades on the market |
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tiehwen
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not to mention that it's workmanship/quality is so much nicer than some of those Stiga's more expensive, latest & greatest blades.
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zrrbiteDK
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So the handle is too slim for you? I might have exaggerated a bit about the declaration of love :) It was odd tho, because for a moment, i didn't care about the playing characteristics. I was just in love with the handle itself.
That's an interesting piece of info, thanks. Definately underrated. And It's so cheap!
Agreed, it's really quite nice. I'm so impressed. And again, it's so cheap! |
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ejmaster
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to enrich the thread i made some comparison to some stigas. these months i have played extensively with rw v and sometimes with mapplewood v. and lately with the pg7. the mppw v is even thicker than the rw v. both blades very good feeling. imo the pg7 is a more sharp sword. it is more powerful and dangerous. it has potential to be played with more effects. and it is more stable. being the rwv a very good looping and blocking blade, the pg7 blocks better than the rw v and much more better than the mppw v. and loops more powerful and it is more stable. but the good thing in the pg7 is that at first it seems that maybe has less control in short game. the pg7 has a good short game. at the level of the rwv. mppw has a little bit better control in short game. i made better scores with the pg7 and i see my opponents were having more difficult game when i play with the pg7. |
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I've been wondering about the RW and MPW. Thanks for that comparison!
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sa01
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the letters in mine didn't come centered.
handle is short. overall it's not a bad blade, specially considering the price. it felt kind of "light", not solid like clipper or tube offensive, it's like a mixture between 5 and 7 ply, lively with a bit more power like 7ply. I also think you can tell the difference between a blade like pg7 and say a nittaku ludeack. it seems they use wood of higher quality for ludeack. this is what you would expect since with what you pay for a ludeack you can get 4 pg7 Edited by sa01 - 01/02/2012 at 6:23pm |
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what's the weight of a pg7?
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sa01
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between 82 and 91 more or less. not the heavy 7ply type like clearfield or power7. 7ply on a diet Edited by sa01 - 01/02/2012 at 8:55pm |
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The PG7 i have is ~91gr. That's heavy for my taste. I've tried a couple of Clearfields that were both around 92gr. There doesn't seem to be that big a difference, atleast not for the blades i've tried.
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well yeah not in that case. the ones I saw were like 100g. I think for pg7 91g is really heavy, it's more like a looping blade, not the traditional heavy 7ply for hitters. |
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Good point. The Looping-blade characteristic definately makes sense when i compare it to other 7plys. I'm liking it.
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HowToPlayChineseLoop
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thickness of the blade ?
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Roger Stillabower
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Hi, I play with the PG7 St. handle and I don't think I could play any better with high dollar blades. I'm an old fart at 65 and play with a bunch of seniors.I've use to use MM and TBS ,but I play better with the PG7 and have fun playing with it. I have 4 of them just in case they jack the price up. The 2 that I use, 1 with Sigma Pro Bl. max on f/h Vega Pro Rd. max on b/h,2 Rakza 7 bl. max on f/h and Omega Europe rd. max on b/h. For me the PG7 gives me every thing I need, speed.feel, and control. As for the wood, I know the outer is Limba but I don't know the other plies. I think the quality is just as good as the high dollar fancy name blades.
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sa01
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stiga clipper is just 20 dollars more than pg7.
I'd take clipper every time.... |
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Other plies are ayous.
PG 7 recently has become my main blade. After I played with it, I cannot go back with my old blades.
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PG 7 is too heavy, and 6.6 mm. It is not good for chinese rubbers
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IMHO pg7 is perfect for chinese rubbers because it is very fast and at the same time it is not hard (unlike pg2 and pg3 which have koto outer and are much harder). this is good because Chinese rubbers are slow and hard.
pg3 and pg2 are just as heavy as pg7 btw.
Edited by seguso - 04/19/2012 at 3:14pm |
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Roger Stillabower
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PG7 is 6.3 mm. thick not 6.7. What I hear it is like the old Clippers were before the started making the 7 mm. now.
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Sounds good!
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agreed. i put new era in pg7 fh and plays very well.
Edited by ejmaster - 04/19/2012 at 6:57pm |
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I noticed it is more lively, light in feeling, not so solid as clipper. I didn't really like this, I prefer blades that feel solid like clipper or tbs. Edited by sa01 - 04/19/2012 at 9:36pm |
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yes the pg7 does not feel so solid but it is very stable. it takes sometime to appreciate its game. after some time playing with it the pg7 has a particular behaviour that drives to a sensitive and powerful game. but it is true it is a blade to stay at being adapted to its game. if ejing between blades it is easy to lose the feeling to play the pg7. now i go back to the a/c btfly blades but i got as good scores with the pg7 when i was adapted to its game. however with the clipper i never got such a good game and scores as either the pg7 or a/c. the clipper is in between without having neither of the sharp or liveness about the a/c or the pg7 being adapted.
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clipper doesn't have the offensive capabilities of tbs but control is much better |
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Played yesterday with PG7 and Joola Express one max both side. One of the best combo I've ever had. PG7 is outstanding in all dept. It's sharp, precise and provides tons of feedback. It's not a speed monster and enables to control the game with a wide range of shots. Pushing, blocking, hitting and looping are so natural and easy with this blade that it becomes ridiculous. When it comes to close the point, the blade is here too. And it's sooo cheap. My favorite 7 plies blade so far (and I've tried a lot...).
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Then Clipper CR WRB is not a clipper.
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I've finally tried the PG7. It does have the feel and control of Stiga Clipper Wood and is faster.
Although it is not my cup of tee (at the moment), I appreciate how well it harmonizes with H3 Neo and TG3 Neo. (Since I've tried it with these rubbers on, the combo came out quite heavy, blade alone is 90 grams and the combo was 194 grams). For regular play I'd look for a lighter rubber for BH. Still have not tried it with T05 or T64, and softer EU/Jap rubbers (I have Hexer in mind and in store, actually "in closet") but my guess is that it will not disappoint. This blade seems like a real bargain. It is not worse than any of TG7s and half the price.
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Has anyone tried the blade in ST? is it square or rounded?
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