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    Posted: 04/29/2012 at 12:22pm
i watched a few zhang jike vids and then it popped in my mind that maybe one of the reasons he wins most of the time (except against ma long) is because of his cho. it really sounds cool, it pumps me up by just listening to it

i also noticed he doesnt really cho all the time like ma long or wang hao. usually he doesnt cho in the first sets. its like he chooses certain points to cho, anybody noticed that? maybe you guys know what points he usually chos on
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Yeah, I'm sure that's it. It's nothing to do with his advanced backhand technique.
 Liu Guoliang does intensive training on 'cho' psychology, but he reserves the most advanced training for Zhang Jike, focussing on point timing, accent (Cantonese for preference), pronunciation- 'a little more CH there, Jike, less O', and split-second timing -'wait until you can sense the defeat at its maximum in the opponent's eyes'. 
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ok that was funny
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Originally posted by zzzuppp zzzuppp wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. It's nothing to do with his advanced backhand technique.
 Liu Guoliang does intensive training on 'cho' psychology, but he reserves the most advanced training for Zhang Jike, focussing on point timing, accent (Cantonese for preference), pronunciation- 'a little more CH there, Jike, less O', and split-second timing -'wait until you can sense the defeat at its maximum in the opponent's eyes'. 
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You know those Cho's from Japanese womans team where there were like 6 to 8 yrs old?
Those cho are so cute and make me laugh all the time.
I won't even be able to concentrate if I am playing against them
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Sounds like a dog's bark/woof to me.
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Originally posted by zzzuppp zzzuppp wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. It's nothing to do with his advanced backhand technique.
 Liu Guoliang does intensive training on 'cho' psychology, but he reserves the most advanced training for Zhang Jike, focussing on point timing, accent (Cantonese for preference), pronunciation- 'a little more CH there, Jike, less O', and split-second timing -'wait until you can sense the defeat at its maximum in the opponent's eyes'. 
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Great - finally a technique I can possibly master. Great - I can forget about the bh, fh, service/returns
YYYYEEEESSSS!!!....I mean CHO!....
hmmm might be harder than I though!
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Originally posted by Rizzelet Rizzelet wrote:

Sounds like a dog's bark/woof to me.
Well then I can say, if those little girls play and beat you. Can I say you were beaten by a person that bark/woof like a dog?
 
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by zzzuppp zzzuppp wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. It's nothing to do with his advanced backhand technique.
 Liu Guoliang does intensive training on 'cho' psychology, but he reserves the most advanced training for Zhang Jike, focussing on point timing, accent (Cantonese for preference), pronunciation- 'a little more CH there, Jike, less O', and split-second timing -'wait until you can sense the defeat at its maximum in the opponent's eyes'. 
Say it isn't so.Pig
Great - finally a technique I can possibly master. Great - I can forget about the bh, fh, service/returns
YYYYEEEESSSS!!!....I mean CHO!....
hmmm might be harder than I though!
 
In the Dortmund to London interview, LGL did say that Ma Long and Zhang Jike has all the physical requirements, but lack mental requirement. And that is an important training factor for the near future.
 
I wonder what is the training schedule like for this "mental" side of TT.
Must be interesting
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Originally posted by Rizzelet Rizzelet wrote:

Sounds like a dog's bark/woof to me.
Well then I can say, if those little girls play and beat you. Can I say you were beaten by a person that bark/woof like a dog?
 

lol I was referring to Zhang Jike's "cho" in particular. But yeah, you could say that. You can say whatever you want.
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Originally posted by Rizzelet Rizzelet wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by Rizzelet Rizzelet wrote:

Sounds like a dog's bark/woof to me.
Well then I can say, if those little girls play and beat you. Can I say you were beaten by a person that bark/woof like a dog?
 

lol I was referring to Zhang Jike's "cho" in particular. But yeah, you could say that. You can say whatever you want.
Just joking with you man.
 
I had an experience playing against a top junior about 8 years ago.
He was about 11 or 12yrs old, and small for his age as his paddle is mostly below the playing surface area when he stands.
 
I took pity, played gently and didn't attack (tought how can an "adult" attack this young "boy"), guess what happened to me........
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maybe we should all do away with CHOing after we win a point and just grunt during the rallies like tennis players do.  Those female players grunt/scream at the top of their lungs when they hit a ball and it's so annoying! Maybe I'll start grunting like that when I loop a ball. Ha. 
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otcharov grunts
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Originally posted by mrdoodzki mrdoodzki wrote:

i watched a few zhang jike vids and then it popped in my mind that maybe one of the reasons he wins most of the time (except against ma long) is because of his cho. it really sounds cool, it pumps me up by just listening to it

i also noticed he doesnt really cho all the time like ma long or wang hao. usually he doesnt cho in the first sets. its like he chooses certain points to cho, anybody noticed that? maybe you guys know what points he usually chos on
 
ZJK's Cho is more like "Cho there"
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how come he doesnt cho in the first set like ma long?
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Originally posted by tsanyc tsanyc wrote:

Originally posted by mrdoodzki mrdoodzki wrote:

i watched a few zhang jike vids and then it popped in my mind that maybe one of the reasons he wins most of the time (except against ma long) is because of his cho. it really sounds cool, it pumps me up by just listening to it

i also noticed he doesnt really cho all the time like ma long or wang hao. usually he doesnt cho in the first sets. its like he chooses certain points to cho, anybody noticed that? maybe you guys know what points he usually chos on
 
ZJK's Cho is more like "Cho there"


Cho where? oh Cho there.... Wink
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by zzzuppp zzzuppp wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. It's nothing to do with his advanced backhand technique.
 Liu Guoliang does intensive training on 'cho' psychology, but he reserves the most advanced training for Zhang Jike, focussing on point timing, accent (Cantonese for preference), pronunciation- 'a little more CH there, Jike, less O', and split-second timing -'wait until you can sense the defeat at its maximum in the opponent's eyes'. 
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Great - finally a technique I can possibly master. Great - I can forget about the bh, fh, service/returns
YYYYEEEESSSS!!!....I mean CHO!....
hmmm might be harder than I though!
 
In the Dortmund to London interview, LGL did say that Ma Long and Zhang Jike has all the physical requirements, but lack mental requirement. And that is an important training factor for the near future.
 
I wonder what is the training schedule like for this "mental" side of TT.
Must be interesting


They do that in CNT all the time, like starting from 9:9 tie, giving points to opponent's favor and playing crowd noise during internal matches and having the whole team cheering for opponent's points, etc
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it's not a cho in his case.
it's "guoreeee!!!!!"
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