|
|
looping underspin |
Post Reply | Page 123 4> |
Author | ||
alfie
Silver Member Joined: 01/30/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 961 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: 02/06/2006 at 11:25pm |
|
I don't know if it my technique or my rubbers or topsheet......I can loop topspin and no spin very good but underspin I am having a very hard time........my racket is donic doted AR and I have tried mark V 2.0 and tackfire special soft 2.1 and both of the topsheets and rubbers are pretty soft........I did try a GEWO thunderball as well once and it seemed a bit better and the rubber and topsheet seems firmer than the other 2 rubbers..........I am starting to think it maybe the dwell time on the softer rubbers and topsheets.....any help appreciated
|
||
Sponsored Links | ||
7homuz
Gold Member Joined: 07/06/2005 Location: HKG/CAN Status: Offline Points: 1954 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
probably technique, looping topspin and no spin is relatively easy compared to looping bottom spin. heck, i still think relooping is easier then looping bottom spin
|
||
Blade:Darker 7P-2A
Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
||
alfie
Silver Member Joined: 01/30/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 961 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
am also thinking it may be my contact point on the ball........I seem to be looping backspin above the center of the ball and maybe I should be contacting the ball a little lower and lifting up a bit with my stroke
|
||
7homuz
Gold Member Joined: 07/06/2005 Location: HKG/CAN Status: Offline Points: 1954 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
it depends, i usually loop bottom spin from above the center too, it lets you 'wrap' around the ball more and make it faster and spinnier, but sacrifices some control and needs mroe practice. really tires you out though, need such fast hand movement, can't borrow the speed and spin from your opponent's shot...
|
||
Blade:Darker 7P-2A
Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
||
wfwfitz
Gold Member Joined: 04/02/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1475 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
It depends on what is happening when you loop the backspin, if you are hitting the ball into the net you need to open your racket face more and hit upward more. If you are hitting it off the table do the reverse close the face more and swing more forward or level towards the net. It will take some trial and error to find the correct angle of swing and racket face, but if you can loop no spin you are on your way. At least you can tell the difference between the spins you are looping which is half the job.
|
||
Wfwfitz
Xiom Axelo Xiom Sigma Pro Red and Black Butterfly Amultart Tenergy 05 Black and Red 64 |
||
wfwfitz
Gold Member Joined: 04/02/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1475 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Dont forget to bend your knees then drive up to the ball as you need to be quicker than for nospin and topspin. I mean at the point of cantact. I hope I explained it.
|
||
Wfwfitz
Xiom Axelo Xiom Sigma Pro Red and Black Butterfly Amultart Tenergy 05 Black and Red 64 |
||
deeptish
Super Member Joined: 11/05/2003 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 105 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
The swing should be up up and up depending upon the amount of backspin on the ball. If you catch the ball of the bounce or at top of bounce you have to do it with less upward motion. If you are taking the ball on the ball brush it below centre and up, you should generate much more racket speed. to get good speed try to bend both at your knees and back and try to bring your head close to the ball. that does for me.
|
||
Backhand: TSP Spectrol RED
Forehand: Sriver FX Black MAX ; Butterfly Joneyer-H fL |
||
Mushin
Super Member Joined: 05/15/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 275 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Yah... you need to use your body alot. Also... try hitting a top side spin loops.y hitting the side top spin it puts less strain on lifting the ball because you arent actually making full contact with the underspin but slight hitting the ball off centre.
|
||
Blade: Yasaka Gatien Extra 3D (penhold)
FH: Yasaka New Era 2.2 BH: LKT XT Pro 2.2 |
||
ttnooblar
Super Member Joined: 08/26/2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 450 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
use your waist and legs more, hit "through" the ball more if you want to do a fast loop off backspin. if you want to do a slow spinny one then brush the ball more instead.
|
||
BTY Michael Maze (Flared)
Donic F2 2.0mm (FH) Donic F2 2.0mm (BH) |
||
indy
Super Member Joined: 12/10/2005 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 435 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
The multiball training session will help you to improve that stroke and tecnic....
|
||
mike the best
|
||
YATTP
Silver Member Joined: 08/15/2005 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 563 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Looping underspin requires lots of training AND *really* fast muscles. At the beginning you train to loop against pushes without much backspin. Then you start to train against heavy pushes and the last thing will be training forever against good choppers with a super hard chop. The last step requires maximum handspeed = maximum power while being totally relaxed. It also require excellent timing and a very good eye for the curve of the incoming ball. To loop consistently with enough speed against a very good chopper takes many *years* of training and success won't be guaranteed here because it severely depends on you genetic material (=quality of muscles can only be trained up to a certain point --> you need to be naturally strong to become really good at looping against super hard chop). Soft fast rubbers make life easier and especially tensor rubbers or fresh glueing.
|
||
pingpongkf
Silver Member Joined: 08/25/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 823 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
its the stroke that matters the most. one big mistake people make is they start learning looping by looping topspin. thats a big nono. while looping topspin is easier, its more for pros or when you've mastered other looping technics. For beginners, when its topspin, why loop? just smash the damn ball. If a beginner learns looping topspin first, it will be hard for them to change the stroke when it comes to looping downspin. they will still bring the paddle to the shoulder level, while looping downspin the paddle must end at least at the forehead level, or higher.
thats why they say, sometimes you have to start with the hard stuff first because once you are good with the hard stuff the easy ones comes naturaly to you, but if you start with easy stuff and get too convenient with it, you will not learn the hard stuff. |
||
www.speedpong.net
TT EQUIPMENTS: Nittaku, Butterfly, Stiga, Yasaka, Galaxy YinHe, DHS, Friendship, Globe. |
||
Gaute
Silver Member Joined: 12/14/2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 689 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Looping underspin? Is that possible?
|
||
Blade: Avalox
Rubbers:Donic desto F3 Big slam (both sides) I have stopped gluening now, I play as good without. Donic desto F3 Big slam gives klick anyways... |
||
ZoranV
Super Member Joined: 12/27/2004 Location: Yugoslavia Status: Offline Points: 254 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
|
||
34 blades 78 rubbers all active...http://mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/File/ZORAN8.xls
|
||
tabl10s
Super Member Joined: 02/02/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 218 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Since looping chop is being discussed, does anyone do an inside out loop against chop?
|
||
alfie
Silver Member Joined: 01/30/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 961 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I started getting a few in tonight and yes it was my technique.....my normal loop with topspin I just go forward and slightly up so I had a practice for 1/2 hour with a guy I was choping to him and he tried looping it and he did not get one......the chops were pretty spinney though but I watched his stroke and it was the same as he looped topspin.......anyway he then chopped to me and I changed my technique and started the loop from my knees or my anckles and ended up nead my head and I got a few on..........I could tell I was getting a better stroke......in the past I have been sending them all to the net....there is about 3 times as much energy generated to loop backspin than topspin it was quite a workout.....thanks guys much appreciated
|
||
dantt88
Member Joined: 06/23/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
looping underspins not hard once you get the hang of it, the main things are using your body, and timing, since underspin is usually alot slower you move your body down, as the ball comes, then you hit the ball right before it starts to fall, after the bounce, your body moves up and forward, always a combanation of the two, but it varies with the amount of spin, also always make sure that your movement down, is slow and relaxed, and forward needs alot of power and momentum
|
||
Me40_Pyx
Super Member Joined: 08/06/2004 Location: Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 144 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Was this some kind of a joke i didnt get?.... |
||
Stiga Tube Carbo st
Sriver FX Max on fh Sriver EL Max on bh ADDICTED TO GLUE ! |
||
hristo
Gold Member Joined: 10/04/2004 Location: Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 1239 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
p.s. koga 6e igraem:PPP |
||
|
||
GantZ
Super Member Joined: 04/04/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 349 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Hmmm.... I think Gaute is most likely joking but, if he were confused about "looping underspin", it would probably have to do with its context. Looping AGAINST underspin versus Looping and creating an underspin. Hopefully everyone here is talking about looping against underspin. |
||
AZNpenholdloop
Silver Member Joined: 01/06/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 660 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
looping backspin was impossible when i started, and now it is still hard for me
|
||
Avalox 550
FH: Blue Whale II Factory Tuned 38 deg. BH: White Shark II Factory Tuned |
||
Gaute
Silver Member Joined: 12/14/2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 689 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Yeah, I thought it was looping with unerspin instead of looping with topspin.. But i understand it now...
|
||
Blade: Avalox
Rubbers:Donic desto F3 Big slam (both sides) I have stopped gluening now, I play as good without. Donic desto F3 Big slam gives klick anyways... |
||
Me40_Pyx
Super Member Joined: 08/06/2004 Location: Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 144 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Ok,sorry for the reaction,i agree it was a bit too ironic.... P.S. @ hristo mi az sega si se pribiram za mesec v bg ama 6e si buda samo vuv varna :P |
||
Stiga Tube Carbo st
Sriver FX Max on fh Sriver EL Max on bh ADDICTED TO GLUE ! |
||
Gaute
Silver Member Joined: 12/14/2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 689 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I feel very stupid, but my english is not so well, so i guess I have a good reason
|
||
Blade: Avalox
Rubbers:Donic desto F3 Big slam (both sides) I have stopped gluening now, I play as good without. Donic desto F3 Big slam gives klick anyways... |
||
zerowings007
Super Member Joined: 10/22/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 137 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
some people told me to loop the underspin by leting the ball drop and drop, the ball underspin is at its minumum. the easy way is to use the legs to get down low and add power to the shot.
|
||
YATTP
Silver Member Joined: 08/15/2005 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 563 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
This is an old rumour. The rotation doesn't decrease considerably within those extra seconds. Look at a spinny ball when it bounces on the floor, accelerates and rolls back to the chopper ... It's actually better to take the ball when it's still on the rise before its highest point. This way you can play *much* more aggressive loops but your handspeed needs to be fast enough. If you want to play a less aggressive loop - a security shot or a spin only loop - it's a good idea to take the ball after its highest point on the way down.
|
||
Just Do It
Member Joined: 02/14/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I seem to have more of a problem trying to slam a high underspin loop, would it be better if i loop it back and go on the defensive? |
||
[email protected]
Just Do It! |
||
chin_penholder
Super Member Joined: 02/26/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 189 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I seem to have more of a problem trying to slam a high underspin loop, would it be better if i loop it back and go on the defensive? even if the ball has underspin, i still find it easy to just slam, or kill... i guess it depends on how high the ball is... but as a pen player i think it is always better to attack then go on the defensive... |
||
louison12
Member Joined: 12/22/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Maybe this is repeating the confusion above, but what is an underspin loop? Do you mean a loop someone hit against your underspin?
|
||
Gaute
Silver Member Joined: 12/14/2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 689 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Yes...
|
||
Blade: Avalox
Rubbers:Donic desto F3 Big slam (both sides) I have stopped gluening now, I play as good without. Donic desto F3 Big slam gives klick anyways... |
||
Post Reply | Page 123 4> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Forum Home | Go to the Forums | Forum Help | Disclaimer
MyTableTennis.NET is the trading name of Alex Table Tennis Ltd. |