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For fans of Rich... I just decided that on this particular day, my topspin game had no chance in hell and started exchanging.

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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

For fans of Rich... I just decided that on this particular day, my topspin game had no chance in hell and started exchanging.


So am I totally wrong (ie the rule has changed) or is Rich Dewitt doing an illegal serve with his FH? He does NOT move his left arm after he throws the ball up. I know this is a fun club match, but if anyone served like that to me in a tournament I would ask for an official to umpire my match.
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

For fans of Rich... I just decided that on this particular day, my topspin game had no chance in hell and started exchanging.


So am I totally wrong (ie the rule has changed) or is Rich Dewitt doing an illegal serve with his FH? He does NOT move his left arm after he throws the ball up. I know this is a fun club match, but if anyone served like that to me in a tournament I would ask for an official to umpire my match.

Not totally wrong, but some of the visual effect is the camera angle in this case.
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Rich turn his body square up to the table before contacting the ball in front of him.  I believe I would see the point of contact on his serve even from the next table.
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Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

Rich turn his body square up to the table before contacting the ball in front of him.  I believe I would see the point of contact on his serve even from the next table.

That for me is the most important point, but some people do focus (and the rules say so) on moving the arm immediately.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

Rich turn his body square up to the table before contacting the ball in front of him.  I believe I would see the point of contact on his serve even from the next table.

That for me is the most important point, but some people do focus (and the rules say so) on moving the arm immediately.
 
True, but with people who serve with body square up, if you ask them to remove the arm, they will easily comply, and it would make no differences to the outcome. People who lower their shoulder and serve close to their body is the different story.
 
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Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

Rich turn his body square up to the table before contacting the ball in front of him.  I believe I would see the point of contact on his serve even from the next table.

That for me is the most important point, but some people do focus (and the rules say so) on moving the arm immediately.
 
True, but with people who serve with body square up, if you ask them to remove the arm, they will easily comply, and it would make no differences to the outcome. People who lower their shoulder and serve close to their body is the different story.
 

I have found that when someone makes a habit of something, asking them to change it tends to throw off something about their game if asked to do it consciously.  It's often more psychological than technical.  But in any case, other than my general issues returning serves, I have no issues returning Rich's serves and definitely not because of arm position.


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I guess we all have our little pet peeves. When a player "serves out of their hand" ie does not throw the ball up 6 inches I really do not notice-I watch the contact. But the not removing the arm  like that is something that bothers me. I am not one to "be that guy" and ask for an umpire for any little grievance. In fact I have never asked for an umpire for any tournament match. That said, Rich is not some neophyte-he surely knows or should know that he should remove his arm.
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Nextlevel,

Thanks for posting your match with Rich.

Starting at 6:18, Rich gives you two deep serves at your elbow and you miss both as you lean to the side to try and play a forehand.  On the second one, you do what most backhand dominant players do when the ball comes at their elbow - you swing too vertically and lose your forward lean, lifting the ball off the table.  Do you normally try to handle serves at your elbow by moving left and playing a forehand, or is this something new you're trying since rebuilding your FH?


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Originally posted by Ringer84 Ringer84 wrote:

Nextlevel,

Thanks for posting your match with Rich.

Starting at 6:18, Rich gives you two deep serves at your elbow and you miss both as you lean to the side to try and play a forehand.  On the second one, you do what most backhand dominant players do when the ball comes at their elbow - you swing too vertically and lose your forward lean, lifting the ball off the table.  Do you normally try to handle serves at your elbow by moving left and playing a forehand, or is this something new you're trying since rebuilding your FH?
  
Nah, from my internal perspective, that's not what happened at all.

The first serve I tried to loopkill like topspin even though it was a dead ball but I didn't have any lift/margin and my contact was wrong.  The second, I tried to counterhit with touch (if you notice, it wasn't a vertical swing, but an open racket angle with a closed followthrough with zero topspin lift that sent it long - in fact, the first stroke had a far larger vertical follow through than the second).

The first stroke was really an attempt to loop - the second was to stay consistent with how I had decided to play the match.  Let's just say that other than aggressive service return, Rich has seen the last rally loops he will see from me.  It's going to be mostly forehand counterhit and backhand counterhit/topspin.  I can play that game pretty well and I wasn't going to do it.  But after the first game, I just realized and accepted that primarily as a looper or topspinner, I will not be able to beat Rich anytime soon if ever.  But primarily as a counterdriver, it's not impossible.  I just have to do it.  Shrink my forehand counterhit against him and just be able to hit it to the forehand wide.
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Ooooh! the language.
Anyway, nothing much in Dewitts serve to warrant a fault call. But NL's serve.....need some adjustment there.
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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

Ooooh! the language.
Anyway, nothing much in Dewitts serve to warrant a fault call. But NL's serve.....need some adjustment there.


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Ringer84 Ringer84 wrote:

Nextlevel,

Thanks for posting your match with Rich.

Starting at 6:18, Rich gives you two deep serves at your elbow and you miss both as you lean to the side to try and play a forehand.  On the second one, you do what most backhand dominant players do when the ball comes at their elbow - you swing too vertically and lose your forward lean, lifting the ball off the table.  Do you normally try to handle serves at your elbow by moving left and playing a forehand, or is this something new you're trying since rebuilding your FH?
  
Nah, from my internal perspective, that's not what happened at all.

The first serve I tried to loopkill like topspin even though it was a dead ball but I didn't have any lift/margin and my contact was wrong.  The second, I tried to counterhit with touch (if you notice, it wasn't a vertical swing, but an open racket angle with a closed followthrough with zero topspin lift that sent it long - in fact, the first stroke had a far larger vertical follow through than the second).

The first stroke was really an attempt to loop - the second was to stay consistent with how I had decided to play the match.  Let's just say that other than aggressive service return, Rich has seen the last rally loops he will see from me.  It's going to be mostly forehand counterhit and backhand counterhit/topspin.  I can play that game pretty well and I wasn't going to do it.  But after the first game, I just realized and accepted that primarily as a looper or topspinner, I will not be able to beat Rich anytime soon if ever.  But primarily as a counterdriver, it's not impossible.  I just have to do it.  Shrink my forehand counterhit against him and just be able to hit it to the forehand wide.

Nextlevel,

After re-watching the video, you are correct about your follow thrus and I understand what you mean. I probably shouldn't have even mentioned the specific reasons as to why you missed, because I was wrong. My bad.

 I think the bigger issue here, however, is that you are leaning  to play  forehands against two deep serves that were not all that particularly fast.  While you seemed to be able to get away with leaning in rallies (and actually hit some quality shots), I think that leaning to play forehands on the return of serve is a bigger issue, because like you mention above you also have to be able to read a wide variety of spins at the same time.  Trying to lean to the side and return a serve would be a problem for anyone. The good thing I see though is that your stance is relatively wide, which always helps against balls at the middle.

I know that your mobility is limited by your bad knees and that some leaning is going to be inevitable- which is why I think you are going to have to become better at quickly judging the depth and location of incoming serves.  Have you ever had your coach  do a drill where he mixes up fast serves at your elbow with short serves to your BH or FH, giving you a chance to work on your anticipation? I think it would help you tremendously.


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Ringer, that's a great point. To be honest, consistently trying to attack long serves is a relatively new thing for me, especially with my forehand and I am still trying to work it out. I used to push those serves or use my backhand to roll them, so as you pointed out and I said earlier, a lot of identity crisis stuff is in my game at the moment because of all the forehand training. In the past, I would usually move over and spin that ball with my backhand. But I should be reacting to those serves faster and with more precise aggression - I haven't found the right balance between using my forehand and my backhand (footwork doesnr help either).
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Matt Pimple, you have good control with the long pips (if that's what's on your BH). Your FH attack is a bit stiff, but not bad. Keeping your blocks low and short will set you up for the FH attack and you managed to do that often against a strong player. If you can limit unforced errors, you should achieve a 2000 level soon.
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Matt Pimple, you have good control with the long pips (if that's what's on your BH). Your FH attack is a bit stiff, but not bad. Keeping your blocks low and short will set you up for the FH attack and you managed to do that often against a strong player. If you can limit unforced errors, you should achieve a 2000 level soon.
 
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I actually play with Dr. N ABS anti (a frictionless anti) on my bh

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Nice to watch, Matt.  I really liked how short you blocked in the first set and got in occasionally with the FH.

I attack much more with my FH but play similarly to you.  I use OX LPs--Grass DTecs on Immune OX blade, Adidas P7 boosted on the FH--but am having no joy with the new poly ball.  I'm getting half the reverse spin and none of the nice wobble I used to get with old balls on the pips.  My blocks and pushes are going long but without any bite to them. My question(s) for you:  How is the frictionless anti with the poly ball?  Is it a difficult transition from LPs to the frictionless anti?  Can you hit/push no spin/dead stuff with the fric'less anti?  Should I be tempted, this off-season, to make the change to fric'less anti?

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is frictionless Anti  ITTF legal?

Yes! All of the Dr. Neubauer antis are frictionless as well as the Der Materialspezialist antis and they are all legal.
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What does it really mean frictionless? Is it " having little friction compared to other rubbers"? If so how little is "little"?
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What does it really mean frictionless? Is it " having little friction compared to other rubbers"? If so how little is "little"?

The anti is completely slick so that when you rub a ball over it you will not feel any resistance.
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