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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

My serve is not always the same and while it might not be obvious, I made accommodations to the receiver.  I am not surprised that you didn't acknowledge this in your lawyerly arguments.


I didn't note any accommodations because I didn't notice them and wasn't looking for them.

I'm not a lawyer but I do like logic.  The problem with these videos is that just like when we play the "What's My Rating" game, it's hard to judge a lot from video.  Not only is there a question of the camera angle, but you're looking at a small subset of play -- a few matches with a few players.  That's why I suggested that you make a video test, placing your camera where a lefty would stand.  You don't even have to do it during a match -- you could do it during your service practice.

Why am I so adamant about this? Because I'm left-handed and I've played many players whose service look like yours, and I know that I can't see the ball.  That's just my personal experience.


Sure. The point is that you haven't played ME. And I have shown repeatedly that there is video evidence that my serve contact is plainly visible. Yet when I talk in terms of stereotypes, you get offended. But when I show you video evidence of lower rated left handed players repeatedly returning my serves properly, you still want to rely on your own stereotypes?

I will let you have the last word until I post new video. But the way I would serve a right hander is not the way I would serve a left hander. That is my point but you are so logical you can't accept the evidence. As Spock and Holmes said, logic must give way to facts.
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Quote Why am I so adamant about this? Because I'm left-handed and I've played many players whose service look like yours, and I know that I can't see the ball.  That's just my personal experience


And when I play any lefty with a pendulum serve, sometimes I have to stand all the way over in my backhand corner to see it.  It's annoying.  Lefties are already essentially cheating by being left-handed, so I don't feel sorry for them one bit.


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:


Sure. The point is that you haven't played ME. And I have shown repeatedly that there is video evidence that my serve contact is plainly visible. Yet when I talk in terms of stereotypes, you get offended. But when I show you video evidence of lower rated left handed players repeatedly returning my serves properly, you still want to rely on your own stereotypes?
I'm sorry to have upset you. That was not my intention.  We're not going to agree on what those videos demonstrate so there's no point in arguing over that.  I wish you well with your games however your service works out.
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Originally posted by Ringer84 Ringer84 wrote:


And when I play any lefty with a pendulum serve, sometimes I have to stand all the way over in my backhand corner to see it.  It's annoying.  Lefties are already essentially cheating by being left-handed, so I don't feel sorry for them one bit.
Now this looks more like a classic case of baiting.  But don't worry, I'm not offended.  Left-handed players can certainly cause the same problem for righties that righties cause for lefties.  It's all a question of how you choose to position the impact on the ball relative to your body.  I don't approve of it when lefties do it either.
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The only solution to this is for NL to attend Stellan camp in March, so he and benfb can play in person, with video.
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Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

A few highlights of points won and lost by me at this last US Open (2016).

Clips from the men's singles, u2400, u2250, and u2100 events.




on first game you played against Terence Yeung? Did you beat him?


A tough and by far my most enjoyable match with all close sets, but he beat me 3-1, 12-10 in the fourth set if i remember it right.



do you have full match? really want to see it ...
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:


do you have full match? really want to see it ...

I do, I'll try to edit a short form version of it just for you Wink
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Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

I do, I'll try to edit a short form version of it just for you Wink

It won't just be for him, hopefully :)
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Alright I just finished editing the video and it's rendering now.

A few thoughts if I had to play him again after re-watching this match... 

- I need to keep the short game away from his forehand flip - he was much more comfortable there than on his backhand side and I had difficulty returning the flatter FH flip ball.  This didn't click in my head for a while because most people I know (including me) have a much weaker FH flip than BH and I assumed such going into the match.  The only balls that worked to his short FH were very wide slide receives, anything else was death.

- I should've stopped trying to serve fast and long, normally this works well for me in Vegas because people have difficulty moving on the concrete and the high altitude exaggerates the ball speed/kick, but Terence is just too quick for me to play that game.

- More kicking serves into the short middle especially since he is a lefty that favors his FH flip, or wide half-long (anti-lefty serve... I need to practice this more) to his FH.

- Except for two very noticeable instances, he almost always opened cross court with his FH.  I realized this halfway through the second set and wasn't able to capitalize on it until the 3rd with my blocks, but it was too late at that point.

- Less punching and more looping on my backhand side Ouch

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Aaand, here's the video:


PS. that was the first time (and only time so far) I've ever used the HL5 blade in a match.  Aside from a few opening errors, not bad for a debut and way more interesting rallies than with my RW5 Shocked

Final scores with Terence were:  4,9,-7,11


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Whoa, that's some statementShocked

Originally posted by Ringer84 Ringer84 wrote:

Quote Why am I so adamant about this? Because I'm left-handed and I've played many players whose service look like yours, and I know that I can't see the ball.  That's just my personal experience


And when I play any lefty with a pendulum serve, sometimes I have to stand all the way over in my backhand corner to see it.  It's annoying.  Lefties are already essentially cheating by being left-handed, so I don't feel sorry for them one bit.
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Thank you for video Chen

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Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

that was the first time (and only time so far) I've ever used the HL5 blade in a match.  Aside from a few opening errors, not bad for a debut and way more interesting rallies than with my RW5 Shocked
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H3Neo on FH and T05 on BH on this one
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Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

H3Neo on FH and T05 on BH on this one
If I didn't make it clear before, I really like your play.
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Thanks! And thank Stellan for guiding me in the right direction :)
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Quick serving, I have been accused of and have had opponents complain, though the older the opponent, the more the complaint.  But that I definitely have tried to fix though I think my internal clock is now clearly unreliable and I have to do something more deliberate like counting to 5 or 10.  But even then, it is more for my benefit than the opponent, as in TT, you are always allowed to raise your hand to stop the opponent from serving. I need it because I serve too many faults.
I agree that quick serving can also mess up your own game; at least, it's a problem I've seen with other people who serve like that.  However, I think it also impacts your opponent by throwing off their timing in receive.  They might not even realize it's a problem (depends upon how experienced they are).  And only some people do the whole "raising your hand thing." 

I also am pretty confident that left-handed players have some problems seeing you contact.  I'm very experienced with this and I never complain any more because the righties either argue (which I don't like) or they say they'll fix it but they really can't.  You can't assume that just because people don't complain doesn't mean they don't have an issue.

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Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

H3Neo on FH and T05 on BH on this one

You beat Zaman - the Superman - Molla and you still have your feet on the ground?  Seriously?

Congrats.  Any video of that?
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Haha unfortunately no, i didnt go into the match thinking i'd have anything intresting come out of it. He seemed a bit under the weather that day too
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Guys here's another video playing the same dude - was not 100% by any means and a bit passive, nevertheless I hope you enjoy
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Went to play at the ICC saturday league and someone got a video, i m in blue



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I like your game.  Nice blocking.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

I like your game.  Nice blocking.

Thank you for the kind words!
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