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42andbackpains 
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On the receiving end of Steves serves is not fun. Very spinny. I will get my revenge sooner or later...lol
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Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P
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schen
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 2:40pm |
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Haha I've been having finger pains and an increasingly curved middle finger from playing penhold so much that I've contemplated switching many times. Although mentally I couldn't take playing so badly against people I know I could easily beat with penhold, so I caved in and reverted back to my old grip.
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schen
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 2:44pm |
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thanks guys
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42andbackpains
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 2:49pm |
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Switch to the Xu Xin grip...works for him....
 But seriously, Xu Xins grips looks more comfortable that your grip. Your grip does look a little painful.
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Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P
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schen
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 2:55pm |
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That super deep and completely straight finger style is actually even more uncomfortable to me when trying it
 . I feel like a deep grip like his naturally makes me want to tighten up in general which is not good for my game...And to this day I still don't understand how he can RPB so well with such little space left on his backhand with how long his straightened fingers are.
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chroot
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 3:01pm |
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I guess he also changes his grip when trying to do RPB. The contact point is close to the edge of the blade. |
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V-Griper
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 4:25pm |
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Need to remember that XX's blade is larger than normal to accommodate his longer fingers. With regard to his BH in general though, it has always perplexed me why his BH, as good as it is, is not quite as good as WH's. I have gone back to WH's grip with the idea that I need to explore more of how and why his BH works the way it does. It seems extremely difficult too replicate even for higher level players. None of the top PH players, including XX, seem to have captured a little bit of WH's magic. While on the SH side there seems to be more convergence when you include the recent change in ML's BH. I would go back to WH's grip as it is more comfortable.
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tom
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 6:37pm |
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Steve, looks like you have many years of playing left, so if you think SH will be more enjoyable it should be worth it to switch, unless you can't get SH coaching. You might lose to some people under your level for a while, but they should understand you switched grips (if they know you). Anyways your 5th game against Diana seems wrong. Either she has a big crush on you or threw the game for some other reason
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NextLevel
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 6:44pm |
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Tom,
I had the same thoughts initially until I remembered watching Steve serve to a 2700 player successfully. Rallies and third balls a different story but Steve outserced the guy. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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AgentHEX
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 7:04pm |
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If you're srs about this, the two general paths to take are: 1. bridge burning. force yourself to learn everything right from scratch. or 2. find commonality starting w/ grips (putting pressure on similar parts of handle), where you take basically the same shots either way except maybe pushing (even then practicing some rpb push isn't bad). I started w/ 1., and gradually moved to 2. That's not a bad way to go since the greatest hurdle at first is a natural BH if you didn't start w/ smoothest RPB. (your rpb is alright but tends to switch bit late and starts high & wristy) |
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schen
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 7:10pm |
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Was this that one time at NJTTC?
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AgentHEX
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 7:18pm |
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WH despite the PH moniker more or less plays as a SH player from the beginning, he swings the compact BH identically to SH guys and extends the stroke at will. You can tell that's not how XX started w/ the way he tends to rotate the arm instead of "yanking" the racket straight fwd. - Worth mentioning I ended up w/ very similar WH BH stroke not due to any attempt to copy but that's just how it works out if you play w/ SH BH mechanics but PH grip. Edited by AgentHEX - 03/24/2015 at 7:22pm |
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BH-Man
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 8:55pm |
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Some good vids schen
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NextLevel
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Posted: 03/24/2015 at 11:38pm |
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Yes, this match: |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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schen
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Posted: 03/25/2015 at 6:42am |
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vs. Zhao Gaoxiang...
no chance haha, but I'm very lucky he was having difficulty with attacking the plastic ball otherwise I would've barely posted 1 or 2 points per set
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NextLevel
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Posted: 03/25/2015 at 6:49am |
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Yeah, after beating Chen Weixing with the plastic ball and despite practicing with lots of players. Which was why he popped up your serves and let you attack... Yes, I'm messing around a little but you clearly served well. If you had 2300 strokes, more of the points would have been interesting. |
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schen
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Posted: 03/25/2015 at 7:02am |
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hahaha, some day.
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NextLevel
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Posted: 03/25/2015 at 8:57am |
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Don't undersell yourself. Just learn to do some controlled topspins vs. hard to kill balls and it will happen.
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takethat
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Posted: 03/26/2015 at 9:46am |
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nice, just saying, Artur should develop a slow turn over backhand, get out of a lot of trouble, better than a forehand fixation.
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schen
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Playing for the first time in Taiwan! This guy is probably at least 2100 USATT, and is a coach/organizer at the Taichung Ping-Pong Sports Hall here in Taiwan. His backhand is anti-spin, and he has great touch for blocking with a frustratingly simple and deceptive backhand serve too. Updates on my vacation in Taiwan and its table tennis scene here!:
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NextLevel
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Posted: 05/18/2015 at 12:39am |
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Another NextLevel-HeavySpin battle - the first set makes this the most painful one yet...
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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BH-Man
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Posted: 05/18/2015 at 1:01am |
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Good vids Schen NL & HS
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benfb
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Posted: 05/18/2015 at 3:39am |
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NL versus HS -- what fun to watch!
It seems that Larry looks heavier than when I last saw him. No more diets? By the way, I think NL could have won that first game but he got tentative, instead of trusting in his backhand.
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NextLevel
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Benfb,
I have put about 3 months of serious work into my forehand. I just keep forgetting that without footwork, I have to remember what side is the real breadwinner. I think I get carried away sometimes with my forehand improvement and forget that it will not replace my backhand. |
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heavyspin
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Posted: 05/18/2015 at 10:41am |
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5 years ago I considered myself a 2400 player in an 1100 body. Now I'm a 2400 player in a 600 body. I recently joined weigh watchers (on May 5) and it seems to work so far.
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Good for you - I hope you're able to stick with it. Out of curiousity, what are you main 'pitfalls' in terms of weight gain? I mean, what foods?
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heavyspin
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Quantity mostly, Pondus. Following a weight watchers suggestion, I made 4 meals and a couple of snacks from what would have been consumed in one sitting. As for a bad habit, the after meal TV watching and ice cream combo.
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Ice cream... that's my achilles as well.
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Back to the match posted by NL. He showed me some nice forehands shots early in the match that I didn't expect he could do, and they looked repeatable rather than lucky shots. I was tempted to ask "where did you learn that, online from Australia?" but thought it could be considered poor sportsmanship to disrupt his concentration. So there are 3 ways I see to take away a forehand. Go fast to the BH, play short tight placement, or initiate my own attack. My attack was shaky the whole match so I mostly went with the other 2. I believe I have an advantage in the serve vs serve return game, so I just needed to stay level with him (pun intended) in rallies.
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Shay2be said the same thing on Saturday in very similar words - he usually serves to my forehand until the technique breaks down. This time he watched the technique, saw that it looked unusually correct, tested it a few more times to confirm what he was seeing, didn't notice any breakdown, and then decided to find a different way of scoring points. Serve and serve return... ARRRRGGHHH.... But my real bad luck was not to play you after you had played Rich or something like that...
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