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I would like to say thanks to tabletennis11 for giving us a description of the new Omega v rubbers, I wished more dealers would do this on a forum.
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Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

I would like to say thanks to tabletennis11 for giving us a description of the new Omega v rubbers, I wished more dealers would do this on a forum.


+1. Great to get the information early, and much better than relying on manufacturer promotional nonsense.

(ps - tt11, what's the news on Bluefire JP? I see it's listed on your site now)
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Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

I would like to say thanks to tabletennis11 for giving us a description of the new Omega v rubbers, I wished more dealers would do this on a forum.


Omega V is not out yet, I guess TT11 had special arrangements with Xiom to get this rubber to test.
Maybe the Adidas "Top Secret" Rubber was a start on how companies will want to promote they product before the launch.

Even Tenergy 80 had "leaked" retail version before the world wide launch date
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Maybe Xiom does a better job of marketing in their home market...
but all these new products are giving me brand fatigue.
I much prefer to buy rubbers from a company with a well defined, and concise brand line.
It' just bizzare when you're able to buy a rubber and they don't even have it listed on the corporate website.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:


(ps - tt11, what's the news on Bluefire JP? I see it's listed on your site now)
We did not manage to receive the samples. Probably we do not receive them earlier than delivery of the sales lot somewhere in May.
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Has any of new XIOM rubbers (Sigma II or Omega V Tour) porouse sponge as Tibhar Evolution (large and rigid pores as Tenergy) ?

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New Omega V does not have these large pores as Tibhar Evolution
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So, I must tell that I don't understand XIOM (I am official dealer for Croatia). So many new rubbers (Vega Japan, Sigma I, Sigma II, Omega V) and what is improvement ? Maybe, some rubbers are factory tuned (Japan and Sigma II) but we expected progress in sponge (spin and control not speed). If you need more speed you can put few more layers of tuning and glue. My daughter still plays with Vega Pro on FH and Stiga Calibra Sound on BH. On reserve blade (also TBS) she will try Tibhar Evolution EL-P.

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Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

Omega V Pro is softer and slightly slower than Omega IV Pro. Our active attacking players preferred Omega IV Pro for their forehand. Omega V Tour is advanced high density rubber, which is more powerful than Omega V Pro. Omega V Tour feels to be good option for professional players with lots of spin and speed at the same time. Now we understand that we need to compare Omega V Tour with Sigma II rubbers. 



So the hard version is now called Tour? Pro = medium hardness, and Europe = soft ?
Like M1, M2, M3?


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We have heard only about 2 versions of Omega V rubbers Pro and Tour.
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Originally posted by geek geek wrote:

So, I must tell that I don't understand XIOM (I am official dealer for Croatia). So many new rubbers (Vega Japan, Sigma I, Sigma II, Omega V) and what is improvement ? Maybe, some rubbers are factory tuned (Japan and Sigma II) but we expected progress in sponge (spin and control not speed). If you need more speed you can put few more layers of tuning and glue. My daughter still plays with Vega Pro on FH and Stiga Calibra Sound on BH. On reseve blade (also TBS) she will try Tibhar Evolution EL-P.
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I cannot speak for the Sigma series, but Vega Japan is definitely a noticeable improvement from the previous generations. I've used 3 Vega rubbers (China, Japan, and Pro), and Japan is definitely above and beyond the others, and even competitive with the newest gen rubbers, like Bluefire and Evolution.


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Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

Omega V Pro is softer and slightly slower than Omega IV Pro. Our active attacking players preferred Omega IV Pro for their forehand. Omega V Tour is advanced high density rubber, which is more powerful than Omega V Pro. Omega V Tour feels to be good option for professional players with lots of spin and speed at the same time. Now we understand that we need to compare Omega V Tour with Sigma II rubbers. 


Can you update us on if you had chance to compare Omega V Tour with Sigma pro/pro II yet. Omega IV pro FH and Omega IV Asia BH are the best Xiom rubbers I have used including Sigma pro and Sigma Europe - best balance of spin speed and control.  I look forward to your review of the Omega V Tour and how much faster/harder is it than Omega IV pro if at all.


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i bought today the omega v tour

the rubber has a sponge that ist not so porous and harder than vega japan

the topsheet is harder as well

ich will test it  tonight on my vh and i hope i get a positive impression like i got with vega japan

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Carmelomaf,

Where did you purchase the Omega V Tour from if I may ask?

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Originally posted by carmelomaf carmelomaf wrote:

i bought today the omega v tour

the rubber has a sponge that ist not so porous and harder than vega japan

the topsheet is harder as well

ich will test it  tonight on my vh and i hope i get a positive impression like i got with vega japan



The harder topsheet & harder sponge combo sounds like it will be a faster rubber than Vega Japan, though it doesn't sound like it will be as spinny. I personally think Vega Japan is still the best performance-to-cost rubber on the market right now. The Victas V>01 that I am testing is good too, though, except it is more expensive...


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Carmelomaf,

Where did you purchase the Omega V Tour from if I may ask?

 

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Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

 

The harder topsheet & harder sponge combo sounds like it will be a faster rubber than Vega Japan, though it doesn't sound like it will be as spinny. 


it is not always in this way, i found yesterday the tau slower than vega japan

Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

 

I personally think Vega Japan is still the best performance-to-cost rubber on the market right now.



i full agree with you


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Anyone else had a chance to play with Omega V tour/pro? 
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Omega V Tour is now availbale. http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-rubber-xiom-omega-v-tour-tt96042337#.UaNQeqK-2So  We played with it quite for while. It is the fastest rubber from Xiom assortment.  Feels quite hard and requires good technique.  Omega V Pro is not available for sale yet.
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Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

We played with it quite for while. It is the fastest rubber from Xiom assortment.  Feels quite hard and requires good technique.


Is it harder than Sigma I Pro?
What is its weight compared to the Sigma I Pro?

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Hardness is same.
Sigma 1 Pro 65g, Omega V Tour - 70g (uncutting rubbers without package)
But uncutting rubbers have different sizes. The size of sigma I pro is  little smaller than Omega V tour

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Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

Omega V Tour is now availbale. http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-rubber-xiom-omega-v-tour-tt96042337#.UaNQeqK-2So  We played with it quite for while. It is the fastest rubber from Xiom assortment.  Feels quite hard and requires good technique.  Omega V Pro is not available for sale yet.

Would you by any chance be able to compare this Omega V Tour with the Bluefire M1 in terms of hardness, speed and spin? Thanks.
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Omega V Tour is slightly softer comparing Bluefire M1. From our point of view Omega V Tour has more control means easier to handle and easier to spin the ball. Bluefire M1 has "direct" contact - more speed. We will take a look at new Bluefire JP01 vs Omega V Tour tomorrow.  
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Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

Omega V Tour is slightly softer comparing Bluefire M1. From our point of view Omega V Tour has more control means easier to handle and easier to spin the ball. Bluefire M1 has "direct" contact - more speed. We will take a look at new Bluefire JP01 vs Omega V Tour tomorrow.  


Can you also compare Omega V Tour and Sigma II Pro? I am thinking of changing to one of these.
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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:




Originally posted by gatorling gatorling wrote:

Xiom is a great brand..I've used only one of their rubbers in the past..
but boy do they pump out a lot of different product lines.
Makes it sort of difficult to follow and makes you wonder how can a company release so many different products so fast with improvements?

there is a logic, although I agree it's confusing:
- sigma series: rubbers mostly for pushblockers, not ideal for looping (not bad either).- omega series: rubbers for loopers  with emphasis on speed.- vega series: rubbers for loopers with emphasis on spin but poor speed, for beginners.- tau series: meant to resemble what Ma Long, Zhang etc. are actually using.
The only piece that does not really fit is Vega China.



I feel that XIOM OMEGA IV is for blockers and stable but not aggressive spins, at least the Euro version

Edited by iakovka - 06/05/2013 at 12:48am

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Quote tau series: meant to resemble what Ma Long, Zhang etc. are actually using.


Hi. Just a word on Tau. Tau is slow, hard, spinny, and has got an high arc, so there isn’t much difference to, for example, Hurricane III. Forget about that it’s the same as Vega China (Vega China is much faster and abit softer). Forget about that it’s something that would resemble Ma Long’s tuned rubber. With Tau you may win the point with the huge spin produced, almost never with speed. Driving or smashing is a pretty frustrating task with Tau as with many china rubbers. And I couldn’t sense any factory tuning in Tau, neither by smell, nor by it’s playing capabilities. Overall I would say Tau is pretty crappy for its high price :-) Thanks for listening.



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Originally posted by Klaus123 Klaus123 wrote:

Quote tau series: meant to resemble what Ma Long, Zhang etc. are actually using.


Hi. Just a word on Tau. Tau is slow, hard, spinny, and has got an high arc, so there isn’t much difference to, for example, Hurricane III. Forget about that it’s the same as Vega China (Vega China is much faster and abit softer). Forget about that it’s something that would resemble Ma Long’s tuned rubber. With Tau you may win the point with the huge spin produced, almost never with speed. Driving or smashing is a pretty frustrating task with Tau as with many china rubbers. And I couldn’t sense any factory tuning in Tau, neither by smell, nor by it’s playing capabilities. Overall I would say Tau is pretty crappy for its high price :-) Thanks for listening.



This is completely your opinion and not necessarily a fact. Tau is significantly faster than an untuned Hurricane neo. I would never claim it to be as fast as Chinese National Team rubbers but it's much faster away from the table than Hurricane by a large margin.

Keep in mind that, in regards to away from the table play, sure I would take Tenergy 64 or pretty much any other softer Eurojap rubber. There are many other faster Eurojap rubbers out there that play much better away from the table than Tau. However, when comparing untuned Chinese style rubbers, Tau plays away from the table much better without sacrificing close to the table performance.


Edited by GeneralSpecific - 07/24/2013 at 1:16am
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Originally posted by Klaus123 Klaus123 wrote:

Quote tau series: meant to resemble what Ma Long, Zhang etc. are actually using.


Hi. Just a word on Tau. Tau is slow, hard, spinny, and has got an high arc, so there isn’t much difference to, for example, Hurricane III.



Yeah, that was before I tried Tau. It is slower than H3 neo. Similar to NEO tg2. Very tacky, and boosting does not help.


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When are the release dates for Omega VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV, XV .... ?

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