Innerforce ALC vs ZLC

In some way you are right. The alc feels more crisp and more to what it is supposed to be as tbs alc.
But the inn zlc and zlf even with that metal feel play very well with lower arc.
The inn zlc and zlf give sharp behaviour to the ball but at the same time require wrist effort to play them.

Edited by ejmaster - 05/31/2013 at 12:49pm

I used to have a i-zlc, felt very woody to me, decent throw and flex. I did not like it at all and sold it right away. If you like blades with a woody feel but has a composite layer buried 2 layers down, this may be for you and im guessing it may take some serious arm speed to get the zlc layers to work IMO

Rahul_TT wrote: I am not an owner and I play with TB ALC/TBS and I tried IN ZLC once. It came across as pingy and very flexy. To me the throw was higher with same rubbers but the vibration was too much to take. I wouldnt call it metallic though. I also don't think its a bad blade at all. In fact I felt that people who like pingy/flexy blades would love it for its dwell.   For me, I like stiff soft blades like ALC so TB ALC is my poison but I actually do plan to move to IF ZLC or ZJK SZLC sometime once I get my looping technique down.

Do you know the dimensions of the INN ZLC ?
Is it 160*150

I have not measured, but it's BIG.  I'd say at least 160 x 152.  All my used sheets of rubber come up short.  

assiduous wrote: First of all, in no way can one describe the ZLC as more 'natural' or 'woody' or even soft!

"Like you wrote, it takes time to transition from an ALC to a ZLC blade.  The IF ZLC to me is a very unique blade.  It doesn't feel fast or bouncy when using slow or medium-paced shots.  But when you start using medium-hard to hard shots, the zylon carbon kicks in and provides some extra catapult action.  To me, it's a Korbel (for short game) and something fast like a Schlager Carbon combined.  This dual duty can throw off some players and it's not for everybody."

Although you prefer the feel of all-wood blade(s) you are going to stick with composite one? What's the point?

I've won against a 2100 with a YEO and thought it was the silver bullet. When I lost to a 1400 I burned the blade.

assiduous wrote: Ray wrote: Although you prefer the feel of all-wood blade(s) you are going to stick with composite one? What's the point? The blade that is 100% perfect for my touch and feel preferences is Korbel. But sometimes I feel frustrated after I make 4 quality loops in a row and they all come back. So I want to force myself to get used to something with more firepower. I've disliked pretty much every composite blade I've tried, at least when compared to a Korbel. Never had good results with them either, and I don't want to jump to conclusions from one session. Had a good day before, only to get completely frustrated on the next session.

Playing tomorrow. Cant wait. Yesterday I was hitting against my return boards and again I got filled with dissatisfaction from the ZLC. Feels bad, bad, bad compared to the ALC. I actually feel less dwell, less control and more ping and vibration. Just the most unpleasant blade that I have touched in a long time. I had better post some great results again tomorrow, because playing with it is really not enjoyable for me. The feeling is definitely not woody. I have owned more than 10 limba-limba-ayous-limba-limba blades, wood and carbon, and never have I felt the artificial material inside to be so intrusive and hijacking the limba feel.

Not exactly dead. More like there is a thin, elastic sheet of metal in the middle. It is elastic and flexes but the usual wood feedback is completely lacking. Very different feel.

Another fantastic performance last night! Lost to a 2000 and a 2300 with plenty of nice points and beat a few that were rated lower than me. But there is one dude who has been 1780 for the longest time and I rarely snatch a match from him. He has some old nittaku rubbers and does these weird punch blocks that come back as flat knuckle balls that is extremely unpleasant to a looper like me. Last night I beat very calmly, with no drama. Then he went around and came for a rematch and lost again. The second loss was embarassing because it was 3:0 and he barely got a few points per game. Funny thing is I was a little tired and took my foot off the gas a little and wasnt swinging to kill a cow, like I usually do. Just slow controlled loops that he had no trouble returning, but instead of me trying to smack and kill like a normally do, I would just loop slow again. And again. And just wait for him to miss one. It was so easy, like I played a 1500. He felt completely frustratrated and helpless. He really hates losing to me. He said upon leaving the club (early) that this is his worst night since he plays TT.

I tried T80 and Evo MXP on FH, both with 2 thin layers of tuning. The throw was kinda low because of the tuner. Those rubbers will make a great match for the blade if not tuned.

No experience with PG7 but played  with TBS and TB ALC. Your opening loop will improve with the ZLC for sure. I just hope the feel does not bother you like me. You will have a lot more feedback compared to TB ALC, which is almost completely inert.