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Lestat
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Always put 2 thin layers of WBG first, it makes a big difference in how the setup behaves, especially throw angle.
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recommendation is one WBG layer for slower and more even absorption
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Johnny Erasure
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FTL is ok for Tenergy rubbers? What is the first layer for a new rubber: water glue or FTL?
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Sorry, I can't lol I have never used Seamoon. I use Kai Lin Oil. Shanghai team uses Kai Lin and I think Beijing team uses Dianchi. I don't even know if Seamoon is used by professional teams. From what I know, Haifu produced Seamoon for the mass public to use.
As for performance, I honestly dont think there will be that much difference between Seamoon and Dianchi. I've used Haifu Oil that the CNT uses, however, and it is very similar in viscosity to Seamoon.
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Argothman
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Can you compare Dianchi and Seamoon on H3 Neo? I currently use Seamoon, but I've heard that many provincial players use Dianchi.
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MLfan
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Personally, I think Dianchi or Seamoon is better, since Hurricane is a chinese rubber after all...
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I kind a like the H2 NEO and can play very well with it, although smash isn't as good as I am used to with the euro/jap.
I would like to know is there a big difference between the H2N and the Nitakku H2 Pro. Thanks |
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Clarence247
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Thing is, what you have read is not really true... most of it comes about because of people trying hard versions of the rubber (this makes it very unforgiving and technique has to be perfect), and because they did not have a good FH in the 1st place - they move upwards and rely on the catapult of the rubber to take the ball forwards... with this rubber if you want the ball to move forwards, you have to move forwards with your arm! coming from Adidas P7 I found this rubber to be excellent and very easy to get used to... but I will be honest.... I win less points with it than with P7 - every time my footwork is not right and I lose power, the ball risks going into the net - it's true... P7 is easier to use and gives same results apart from a tad less spin on full power shots, a bit less control on both offense and defence, and worse short game... If you want to switch from Rakza 7 to a rubber which will give you a more deadly FH using very similar technique... then Adidas P7 is really good. But to say you need totally different technique to use Nittaku H3 Pro is not right... it's the same technique with a small adaptation (very natural) of moving a bit more forward to guide the ball forward... |
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unstopabl3
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I've read a lot about it and I don't think it's my cup of tea, I can't spend months changing my strokes and develop a new style just for this rubber. I'll stick with rubbers similar to Rakza 7 and try a new blade. Thanks for the help, and sorry for hijacking this thread |
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Clarence247
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If you get Nittaku H3 Pro there is nothing to be confused about... u dont have to think about commercial, provincial. national anymore... u have a rubber which plays well even unboosted, but plays excellently boosted with 1 layer of water glue, then 2 FINE (or 1 medium) layers of Falco, then again water glue to stick - u have no complications. The rubber is easy enough to play with... in many aspects easier than tensors..short game, opening loop / spin vs underspin, heavy push, serve.... in other aspects its harder to play with because the rubber has not much catapult. It is better than Rakza 7 - on FH - I like Rakza 7 on BH
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Argothman
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I agree. I started out playing table tennis seriously with Hurricane 3 and struggled for probably six months before switching to Bluefire M2. That was much easier to learn basic strokes with, and I kept at it for a year, after which I went back to regular Hurricane 3 Neo and found that I could actually use the rubber properly, which I used for half a year. I've just started playing with a boosted H3 Neo, and I've found that it fits my game perfectly --- after having developed the proper technique with slower rubbers for two years.
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Get H3 neo. Train for about 6-7 months with it. Then look into prov versions if you feel that you need it.
Beginners shouldnt boost rubbers under any circumstance. Nd btw, coming from rakza, hurricane is a different rubber. Like really really different. Its not for lazy people. Even boosted, you will need to work for it. |
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So many hurricane 3 versions out there, it's making my head spin. There's a provincial version, then national version, then there is blue sponge and orange sponge, and now there is Nittaku version Is there any post/link which describes and reviews all of these versions for a layman like me P.S Which one would you say plays the best out of all these versions??? AND Which one would you recommend to a developing amateur like myself??? I'm currently using Rakza 7 on my FH and Rakza 7 soft on my BH on YEO blade. Edited by unstopabl3 - 06/27/2015 at 6:44pm |
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The one you have added as a link is the Neo version - it is factory boosted - but only lightly and the effect wears off after time... it's also a bit different. The original version is better... without boosting it's still very spinny, but it will have less bounciness and elasticity...the speed will still be there, but you will always have to hit hard (80% power or more).... with the booster playing at 70% (which most players do on FH strokes) will produce a fast ball... Boosting it makes it easier to play with... the potential is there even unboosted but boosting it makes it easier to tap into the potential... I would boost with H3.
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But this one still requires boosting to unleash it's potential??? And what's the difference between the one you mentioned and this one: http://ttnpp.com/store/dhs/770-dhs-nittaku-neo-hurricane-3-6.html |
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Clarence247
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There is no difference - if you get one like this:
http://ttnpp.com/store/dhs/620-dhs-nittaku-hurricane-3-pro-6.html The only added advantages are that: 1) Quality control is amazing and you always get an amazing sheet 2) Quality in general is higher than DHS H3 Pro and therefore many EU and Chinese who live in EU players around 2200+ use Nittaku H3 Pro You get what you pay for and the price is higher because Nittaku is able to guarantee a top quality sheet - which is really equal to National grade orange sponge.
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What's the difference between the DHS H3 Neo and Nittaku H3??? |
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Clarence247
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Harder sponge bubbles less
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The best is to buy Nittaku H3 pro from ttnpp or tt-japan . You will always get an amazing sheet
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yeah, remove the sticky topsheet protective film before boosting.
the hurricane pic is the old hurricane. It's meant to be used with speed glue. Boosters are for the Neo Hurricanes.
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slevin where did you buy the h3 prov? mind me asking?
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OK, I'm about to start using FTL on my 2nd H3 Provincial (38 deg).
However, do we need to remove the sticky plastic topsheet covering (that comes with the rubber) before boosting? I'm assuming so but have forgotten what I did the last time around.
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Roger Stillabower
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I hope that it is not true that DHS quit making the reg. non Neo rubbers. I know that they where made for the voc glue but I prefer boosting them than the Neo rubber.
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slevin
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A brief update after a league night: the boosting worked amazingly well! The topsheet became very elastic & supple.
My main concern was that it might still not be fast enough given that I've been using Euro / Jap rubbers all along. I was surprised at how powerful it was - from mid-distance, it felt more powerful than Tenergy 05! Smashes were surprisingly amazing too. All-in-all, this boosting experiment was a big success. OTOH, I've been told by a US national team member that DHS has stopped producing H3 - is this true? |
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Hmm... Doesn't the glue sheet at the back impede the absorption of the booster? I read somewhere a long time ago that people remove the glue sheet that comes in with NEO rubbers before putting a layer of WBG then boosting it. So if I took some old NEO rubbers with the glue sheet and WBG glue left on the sponge it should have no problem absorbing the booster? Taking off the WBG and also the glue sheet seems to be really hard...
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I always had rubber bubbled after a 2nd or 3rd boosting. even with natblue sponge. Anyone has solution?
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Be careful if you decide to boost over a glue layer, the glue thickens as it absorbs booster and it is very easy to accidentally expand your combined rubber+glue over the 4.04mm limit.
Speaking from experience at the US Open
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Wow, reminds me how my rubber used to look on the old speed clue era!
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That was very helpful. Thanks. I've got a sheet of commercial H3 coming so I wanted to double check on the procedure first.
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