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So do you really think that we can feel a difference between Kevlar, Vectran & Zylon (PBO) for a surface of 175cm2 and a thickness of 0,1mm between two layers of wood ?
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I strongly suspect experienced players can feel an average difference.  But maybe not with 100% accuracy in individual trials.    Of course being able to feel the difference and having those compositions make a meaningful difference in terms of the way you play are two entirely different things.  I like composite blades, and it probably doesn't matter which one of them I use if I like the handle.  Of course, it could be that I am feeling average differences in blades -- which includes everything about them -- and it is not so much the composite material in them.  It does seem to me that ZLC does feel a bit different than ALC in all of the butterfly blades that use those materials.  But maybe I would not be so sure if the blades were unmarked.

Also, it is interesting that Zylon should not cost more and the price of blades is marketing.  I suspected that.  I wonder what the new Spectran blades will cost once they introduce them, as you have predicted. $500??


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I am just curious: who will introduce this new composite fiber in its blades ?
What will be the marketing message behind LOL
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And what will they call it now that they have "Super ALC" for $300+. 

The "Super Duper SLC"????
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Maze from my point of view is for a forehand oriented game, viscaria is balanced backhand forehand game, if your forehand is far better than your backhand go for the maze. Moreover the viscaria
has much more feel than the maze. The forehand of the maze is one of the most deadly among all blades not just the viscaria.


Blades have forehands now not players? And this is not even a special blade with different speeds on forehand and backhand...

Like Baal said, go to a club, hit with both blades and get a feel for them before you buy. Note that this does not guarantee that what you buy will play exactly as you expect, but it is better than spending $100 on a blade and not liking it.

Viscaria is almost unanimously worshipped as the blade with perhaps the most versatile backhand yet highly demanding forehand among EJs and non-EJs alike in China.  OTOH, Stiga blades are widely praised for their forehand prowess and feel.  Posts often pop up daily telling how bad or great it feels on either the forehand or backhand side whenever a person switches from one to the other brand.  Much of it could well be due to the influence of Zhang Jike and Wang Liqin and I used to shrug it off.  However, having spent considerable time with the Viscaria(so far 1.5 yrs) and Offensive Wood NCT(short of 3 yrs) with similar rubbers, I can sort of apprehend.  Part of that may have to do with the diverse impact locations on the blade face between forehand and backhand strokes.  The marks on my H3 and Hexer HD are far from reversed along the long axis.  They scatter over concentrated regions, which are known to exhibit different COR values.  When these locations are struck, various modes of vibration are excited at different amplitudes depending on the setup, grip, form etc., where the corresponding mode shapes are transferred to the hand.  In the event one's forehand or backhand stroke happens to hit the region that matches his game, the player could be under the impression that blade is more suited for that particular side.


No offence, but this is pure bs.
Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g)
Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B)
Tenergy 19 (2.1, R)
https://goo.gl/bFWoxW
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I'm not sure about all the scientific mumbo jumbo on this thread, but its easy to tell the difference between a BTY ALC blade and a ZLC blade.

Also, as noted on previous pages, M.Maze is similar to Viscaria/TBS/TBALC, but not as similar as those 3 are to each other. Maze simply has a little more flex overall (i.e. not quite as stiff). Its quite noticeable and consistent if you've tried 3-4 samples of each blade.
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Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

[QUOTE=jt99sf]IMHO, in terms of speed:

Maze > TBS > Viscaria.


Really??  That's your impression?  I'm not saying you're wrong but mine would be that TBS = Viscaria > Maze.  But my sample size for Maze is very small (1 blade), and it didn't seem like the difference was that great.

 
I always find these equipment impressions interesting so I'll add to the mix.  I'm used to OFF+ blades like Gergely Carbon.  My rubber rotation is T05 FX, Rakza 7 Soft, T80, Bryce Speed FX and every now and then a Xiom or Joola rubber will get in the mix.  When I use a M.Maze (tried 2), I am comfortable that I can switch to this blade without much adjustment.  When trying Viscaria and TB ALC (tried several of each), they are similar but TB ALC slightly faster.  I can change to these two blades but will have to go from let's say T05 FX to regular T05.  With the TBS (tried 3), I always felt like wtf is this for a defensive player?
 
So janekb, I'm glad you were able to try these blades already.  My point is you always have to consider what the poster's regular set up is.  That and also what you are trying to switch from.
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This information is very useful for me. I was confused which is better Viscaria or Mmaze .Thanks for your information.
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