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amitmnagarwal
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Posted: 08/11/2013 at 8:39am |
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I have been playing with Rakza 7 soft 2.0.
I hv being quite satisfied, just tht was curious if the max version will give more spin , speed. also will be more durable ? wht do u people think. |
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Amit Agarwal
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The general view is that Max versions always give more spin and speed but with less control than the 2.0mm version of any rubber. |
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Agree
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tabten5
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The difference between Rakza 7 Soft at 2.0mm and at Max (effectively 2.2mm) is quite marked, in my view. I use these exact rubbers on my FH (Max) and BH (2.0mm). If I flip the bat round, I find the Max almost uncontrollable on my BH, especially for blocking loops - the ball just arcs off the end of the table. The 2.0mm on my FH, meanwhile, feels under-powered (less zip.)
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According to TTEdge, 2.0 is higher throw than Max, though Max allows for more powerful shots. For me, 2.0 allows for significantly greater control on my defensive and passive shots and as these play a non-trivial part in my game, I use 2.0. I find that paradoxically (to me) that as I get better, those shots are more important for my game.
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roulage
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Another point of view
R7S 2.0mm seems better with all-wood blades, max one with offensive carbon blade. Thickness 2.0mm was a little bit bouncier with carbon blades, lower throw, less spin. Too much interaction of rubber and blade. Max thickness worked better . Wooden blades are generally not so springy and "kicking" like carbon blades, so my knowledge is that R7S 2.0mm suits better with all-wood blades, max was a little bit slower because of less interaction with wood
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amitmnagarwal
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R7S Max on FH , how does it feel.
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Amit Agarwal
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amitmnagarwal
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You mean to say, R7S max will suite Maze blade. My main concern is I should not loose control, which for me is more important. |
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Amit Agarwal
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tabten5
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I've just switched to a Maze (from a TB ZLF), and have R7S Max on the FH. I find it too bouncy on the Maze - the throw is so high that loop-drives are extremely difficult to execute. The short game is also troublesome, given the bounciness. I've just ordered a T05 to replace the R7S, but I'm keeping it on my BH (in 2.0mm).
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roulage
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R7S is soft sponge rubber, catapult effect is quite high, so if somebody feels a lack of control, it could be true especially with Maze (played with Maze several weeks and clubmate plays several years with one). Another advice is change R7S with harder sponge rubber (clasical Rakza 7, Rakza 9 or another rubber - clubmate plays fh with Acuda S1 2.0mm very well). Tenergy is very often combination with Maze, but don´t forget that Tenergy series are quite springy too
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To myself the difference between 2.0 and Max is distance played from the table. At the table players benefit from 2.0 and true mid distance players gain using Max. Nothing is set in stone of course just my general observations and knowledge from decades of tournament play.
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tt4me
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I have tried a few Rakza 7 sheets. The one I played best with was Rakza 7 1.8mm on the FH because at the time I played close to the table and would counter hit loops that were too high.
I have a Rakza 7 Soft max. It does remind me of T05 with the catapult effect. If you regularly play 2 meters back from the table the go for the Rakza 7 max. If not the stick with the 2mm. I wouldn't go thinner on the FH unless you get the firmer Rakza 7 1.8mm. How many people play 2 meters back all the time? As far as durability goes there is little difference since they use the same materials in each. I bet you wouldn't notice much if any difference in play either.
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Can anyone comment on the difference of R7S vs R7 as a BH rubber on a 5-ply wood blade (Xiom Aria).
I'm about to replace my sheet of R7 on my BH and was considering grabbing R7S instead. I am looking for something that let me perform BH flips with more success, allow me to easily switch between performing a BH loop-drive and a high arc, slow spinny BH loop. Of course I would like the control to be the same or better than normal R7, an increased ability to defensively chop would be excellent as well. I am willing to sacrifice a bit of speed and mid-far to far distance BH looping in exchange for an improvement in the close to mid distance play.
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I think R7s is what you need (if you happy with R7 already) with the softer sponge, the ball will dwell longer (given right technique), thus your flip, loop-drive, high arc, slow spinny BH loop should be easier done on R7s than R7. imo there is more control in R7s vs R7, thus also means it looses a little bit of speed. But R7s is still fast enough for a lot of people. so IMO, R7s should fit your needs |
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gatorling
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Thanks ZA, I'll give R7S a try and hopefully it'll give me a little more room for error in my loops.
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amitmnagarwal
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Which blade do u use, I was just thinking the extra spin and speed it will give. Is the catapult effect difficult to control. I hv Maze blade.
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Amit Agarwal
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amitmnagarwal
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Just an update, I have being using R7S max for the past 3 months on FH
Close to the table, I am missing the shot execution which i was able to do quite freely with 2.0. Shots tend to go out of the table bit more. earlier i was able to execute easily return of service with loop , now bit difficult. I have observed a marked difference on FH switching to max from 2.0. However whn tried on BH, it was playing quite good. Blocks v well, can open backspin balls well. working well on BH R7S max. With R7S 2.0 on FH , I beat much higher ranked players in my local circuit. Not getting that hitting feel with max on FH now !! I am thinking, going ahead will put R7S 2.0 on both FH and BH. Wht do you think.? |
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Amit Agarwal
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liulin04
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I have about 5 sheets of rakza 7 soft. And all are Max. If you want to increase speed, go for max. Max on R7S is the most ideal pairing in my opinion.
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tt4me
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I have Rakza 7 Soft 1.8mm, Rakza 7 soft max, and Rakza 7 1.8mm. They do play much different from each other. Rakza 7 Soft max is good for looping on my Samsonov Alpha. Rakza 7 Soft 1.8mm is too thin and soft for the FH. Rakza 7 1.8mm with 802 1.5mm and my Samsonov Alpha is one of my favorite setups. It is easy to control. The Rakza 7 1.8 is definitely lacking in the spin category, compared to Rakza 7 Soft Max, but it spins better than Mark V max and is lighter. I make up for the loss of spin by brushing more. BTW, it would have better if PathfinderPro compared Rakza 7 Soft Max with Rakza 7 Soft 1.8mm rather than use two cheap Chinese rubbers when comparing rubbers with two different thicknesses of sponges. The two different thickness are much different. Edited by tt4me - 12/16/2013 at 10:17pm |
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amitmnagarwal
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With R7S 2.0 , I felt my smashes landed more consistently on the table.
Also I cud just loop return of services much easier and with surprize precision to the opponent. This is while playig with Maze blade of course.
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Amit Agarwal
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Yes I agree it would. But then it would also have cost me a lot more too |
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