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infinite_loop 
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 Topic: H3 Neo bubble after 1 monthPosted: 11/09/2013 at 10:29pm |
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I bought H3 Neo (commercial), and after playing twice a week for about a month, it already has a bubble from what seems like broken pips.
I don't think I hit so hard as to bubble rubbers. The only rubber I had managed to bubble before this was the 1st generation Outlaw, which was known to have bubble issues. Never boosted/tuned it. I did use rubber cement to stick, not water based glue (my prior attempts attempts with Tear Mender have been disasters). But, that was only once. I didn't remove and reglue the rubber to the blade. I don't believe one layer of Elmer's rubber cement that I used would have stretched/expanded the rubber much. I bought it from a reputable seller, so I trust the seller to not have sold a fake. This is the first time buying a DHS rubber. I had always wanted to try them, but was reluctant to buy because of what I had heard about quality control. Finally I gave in and bought H3 Neo. I really like the feel of it "biting" the ball. Apart from occasional instability in throw angle, I liked it. Really disappointed when it developed a bubble so soon. Is there any way to fix it? Maybe a small incision to inject a tiny amount of rubber cement in, and press down the bubble? Was I just unlucky to have gotten one from a bad batch? So, should I give it one more try? I am tempted to try H2 Neo. I assume it will have similar topsheet feel, but, with shorter and wider pips, is less vulnerable to bubbling.   Edited by infinite_loop - 11/10/2013 at 11:26am |
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viva
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Posted: 11/09/2013 at 10:48pm |
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I have played with H3 Neo and never have I had a bubbling issue like that.I typically use Butterfly Free Chack or Donic free Chack. Maybe it was your glue but rubber cement should work equally well.
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hunkeelin
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Posted: 11/09/2013 at 11:01pm |
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buy the national version of dhs h3. Recall is 50usd. It would least 1+ year.
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the_theologian
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 4:04am |
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i've gone through a dozen sheets of TG3neo (commercial)... your particular sheet is just a fluke. I've used rubber cement and certain sheets were reglued probably 10 times or more... never had a bubble like that
i wouldn't give up on DHS rubbers if that's what you like
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jobaumi
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 4:46am |
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I have the same problems with H3 and TG3 Neo rubbers (Tuned with falco long or Seamoon). The last ten sheets all bubbling after 2 weeks because the pips broke from the topsheet. I bought all the rubbers from ttnpp. Now i change to Friendship 729-08 because of the better Quality.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 7:44am |
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The quality control of DHS is not great... you likely just got a sheet that wasn't glued together well. From the picture it looks like the topsheet coming off the sponge causing the bubble... what makes you think the pips are broken? I think that is far less likely.
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decoi
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 8:25am |
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boosting or tuning too much weakens the bond between sponge and topsheet.. blocking excedingly hard topspins ..
i had two one year old tg3s boosted and what not then one day during training blocking heavy tops bubble then 2 mins later another bubble.. then swaped for the other tg3 blocking tops spins and again.. bubble. |
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 10:20am |
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I have used many DHS H3's, TG3, TG2 etc (all versions), never had a bubbling problem.
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infinite_loop
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 11:31am |
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Thanks for the replies. I think I'll try my luck one more time.
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Roger Stillabower
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 11:38am |
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I would suggest you get Prov. or Nat. version imo they play better and are lighter in weight. You still should use a speed glue for initial tuning.Cheapest place I have found is TT&PP.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 5:32pm |
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No reason to buy the Nat or Prov versions. The Quality of DHS is not nearly as poor as it used to be, and if you find a bubble sheet of Hurricane 3 NEO or whatever, it's not a common occurrence. I'd say you're safe to just get another sheet.
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jabemu
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Posted: 11/10/2013 at 7:18pm |
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I have just broken one new standard TG2 in few weeks using too much Dianchi booster.Some hard rubbers can broken down quickly but it is not normal. In the speed glue age...I remember to use a TG2 rubber with a lot of speed glue during 2 years and others only for 3-4 weeks.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 at 2:47pm |
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You can see, Dhs h3 commercial version 2012, 2013 usually bubble!!. I dont know why!. In my country tt players only play from 1 week to 3 week. But almost rubber developed. I think it depend on the quality checking of DHS company.
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zheyi
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Posted: 11/12/2013 at 3:18am |
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My neo has not met any of these bubble problem. only the old tg and h3 does. the non vacuum version.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 at 7:30am |
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Just very unlucky, it looks a very nice sheet otherwise. I've been using dhs for years, very fast hitter and never had a pip fail. H2 does have wider pips and in theory would be stronger. Just buy another sheet chances are it'll never happen again in your lifetime
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Posted: 11/12/2013 at 8:24am |
originals at 50$ ? orange sponge version? or blue? where u buy at that price? |
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Posted: 11/13/2013 at 9:45am |
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I practice counter looping and counter hitting a lot with a robot. I have found broken pips and bubbled sponge from glue separation to be a common problem with Chinese rubber, not just DHS. If it's a broken pip or two, you can make a small slice on the sponge with and exacto knife, take the pips out and glue it back down. Once the pips start breaking in one area, usually the center of the rubber, it just progresses. If it's just the topsheet and the sponge separating, you can separate the whole thing with boiling water and reglue the sponge and topsheet.
I used to have two rackets of the exact same setup, one for practice and one for club/ tournaments. Now I just use Butterfly rubber, because their glue and rubber quality is so good. Tackifire plays like Chinese rubber IMO.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 at 7:20pm |
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OP... It is just a $20 sheet of rubber. Cut your losses and get another sheet and hope you do not be strong-man and break more pips later.
Use the rubber to open difficult to open jars lids or use it to clean off glue residue or whatever.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 at 7:49pm |
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Sometimes chinese rubbers are a gamble!!!! i had a sheet of 802, i bought in china, that came bubbled
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 5:49pm |
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I have been playing with Hurricane 3 for a couple of years now. I am very disappointed of the quality control. Let's say that of 10 rubbers about 7 have bubbled after less than a month of playing. Most often it happens in less than 2 weeks. I buy them all from ttnpp and prott.cc. The last provincial, blue sponge in vacuum bubbled in less than a week. I boost all the rubbers until they develop a significant curve. Playing with Hurricane unboosted is almost impossible for me.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 5:59pm |
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Hi,
just 2 questions: How do you boost your rubber? On the bare sponge or after put some glue layers? And which booster do you use? |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 6:11pm |
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I used Dian Chi a while ago and at present I use a booster made by TT Revolution. Old Hurricanes do not have any glue on them so I would boost them by applying the booster directly on the sponge. The Neo ones I tried both removing the factory glue and boosting directly on the sponge and applying the boost on factory glue. The result is the same. They curl into a nice dome. I put about 4 layers of booster. Maybe I should use less, but then I'm not sure I will like the feeling of the rubber.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 6:55pm |
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Hi,
just have a look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrc8lixJ4r8 Any booster will work. Good booster: dianchi, seamoon and falco tempo long booster. Always glue your rubber first(2 layers) with VOC free glue. And let the glue layer completely dry before put the next layer / booster. The most important: don't over boost the rubber! |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 7:11pm |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 8:10pm |
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What's the reason for applying glue before booster? Wouldn't it work on bare sponge too?
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 9:58pm |
To slow down the absorption of the booster, so you don't over boost. It gives your room to experiment on the number of layers you need. :)
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 10:29pm |
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To some members, when you say you have experience with bubble dhs, please state that what kind of bubble did you have. There are 2 types.
1. broken pips 2. Pips come loose from sponge. Bad glue process.
 They are different. And it will clarify lot of confusion. Edited by aroonkl - 11/22/2014 at 10:30pm |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 at 11:37pm |
Its not matter of quality control, just lesser quality rubbers are sold for cheaper markets this is the one that bubbles, the best batches are strongly glued to the sponge, i know a guy who buy stuff from hk in expensive stores and their rubbers wont bubble no matter how much booster like 7-9 layers
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