Speed Glue

Thanks for the tips. I build golf clubs for a hobby so I have a decent work space with proper ventilation and protective gear, etc.

I actually have some new gear on the way for Christmas to my self, might give the glue a shot on the H3N I am using now once I get my new blade/rubber.

Edited by Cochese - 12/19/2014 at 10:34am

Hard to say!

Any O'Reilly auto parts will probably stock it or can order it and have it in a day or two.

I have a question. If you use speed glue just to attach the rubbers to the blade just once (the first time). Will that affect the rubbers if we wait few days with the rubbers on the blade ? In others words, can we use speed glue like normal VOC glue just to assemble the bat and play normally after the effects are gone after few days ?
Thanks.

TT newbie wrote: Yes, I do that. In my opinion Speed Glue has better adhesion of the rubber to the blade than water based glues.

Ok, thanks for you answer ! :)

Don't people have some stock of new-old-stock (sealed, unopened) speed glue?
(I have unopened stuff from the 38mm era. I'm sure I'm not the only one.)

You could use the real thing.

n8stee wrote: So I mixed: Rubber cement 30% Nail polish remove 40 %(this stuff has to have a ton of VOC's in it)   Baby oil 10%   Frebreze 5% (to mask the smell of the nail polish and for the extra hint of Voc's)   and some random oils from the Kutchen 5%   This stuff made the loudest sound and played like a speed glue but didn't expand the rubber that much

Nope.  Not nail polish remover.  Better with lighter fluid.  I am not kidding.  That was another alternative some people used vulcanizing fluid (my preference).  Some people would dilute rubber cement with lighter fluid, about 50-50.  Forget the baby oil.  Febreeze is ok.  Forget the nail polish remover, acetone is not a great additive (we tried it).

Clarence, I would like to give a smart answer.  What you write sound reasonable enough, as usual. 

The problem is that I haven't played with any properly speed glued rubber since about 2008.  I have probably forgotten the details of what it was like.  I know speed glued Bryice felt good, it was more than fast enough (Mark V was too if you glued it heavily) and it was spinny and loud.  I don't actually know that if I tried it know whether I would still like it!  I always thought Mark V had a pretty grippy natural rubber topsheet, but I honestly haven't looked at one lately and compared it to Tenergy.  APW46 might remember more about this. 

What I was thinking when I wrote that, based on what I remember, it that the closest thing ever to a modern Tenergy was old speed glued plain Mark V.  But like I say, memory is fallible.

Bear in mind that back then, one's choice of rubber wasn't quite so critical because with glue, everything became kind of similar.

I really like Tenergy now, I am very accustomed to it.

Nothing would be stronger than pure Tip Top.

Baal wrote: Nothing would be stronger than pure Tip Top.

you're right, but we can make it last much more longer by mixing with good thin booster
and, more important, pros need to pass VOCs test but having consistent VOC affect rubbers.

Rubber glued with Tip Top would never pass a test unless the machine is broken. Trust me on this. Birds flying overhead get dizzy. Mixing it with oil wont help.

Trust me. I used that kind of stuff for years and its a miracle i have any brain cells left. If you are trying this its just for the fun of it. Partying like its 1999 so to speak. Dont try it in a tournament.

Please correct me, if the VOC solvents make speed glued rubber illegal, is there any threshold that Tip Top can still have affect but the VOC test is lower than ITTF allowance?

You stated that Tip Top is very fast evaporated, why don't we keep it ventilate for a while and then seal or trap VOC inside the rubber by any thin booster? Have anyone tried it before?


Edited by chop4ever - 03/29/2015 at 8:07pm

Baal wrote: Rubber glued with Tip Top would never pass a test unless the machine is broken. Trust me on this. Birds flying overhead get dizzy. Mixing it with oil wont help. Trust me. I used that kind of stuff for years and its a miracle i have any brain cells left. If you are trying this its just for the fun of it. Partying like its 1999 so to speak. Dont try it in a tournament.

I didn't say I mixed them into one bottle. I've started playing pingpong before speed glue has banned and I couldn't forget that kind of feeling. In China we still using speed glue because there is no ITTF VOCs test in a lower tournament. So people need an ideal of long last speed glue, booster is expensive and inconvenient.

The answer from organic chemistry is that the booster (a somewhat viscous but very non-polar substance such as paraffin) will not trap the highly non-polar VOCs from the speed glue in the sponge.  The VOCs will be freely soluble in the booster, will very rapidly diffuse through it, and from there to the air.  My guess is that it might slow the escape to the air but only very slightly.  That much I am sure about.  At the same time, it is quite likely that the booster might actually reduce some of the speed glue effect of the vulcanizing agent (although I am less sure about that).