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Baal
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JacekGM
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E-XACT-LY! Again, assuming we are absolutely clear what an expert is... this duck quacks like trolling. Unless one begins with a FZD twin, and that still would be a question mark...
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smackman
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How may competitions will be needed, 2.3.4 10
what Im saying is the student will have to enter , compete and beat expert players so to become a expert, so how many matches will it take?
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JonathanVN
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According to his blog, he says that the goal should be set at being in the top 1% in your country. I live in the USA. So, technically, he never mentioned that it was the top 1% of tournament players. Therefore, since there are 450,000,000 people in my country, I'd only need to be in the top 4.5 million to qualify. Now, it says "active players." However, active could include basement players as well. Being rated 1700, I am pretty sure I have already achieved this. Technicalities.
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kurokami
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lol. 1500-1600 imo.
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DDreamer
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lol. 2100ish imo. |
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I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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BH-Man
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NR 250 in... ONE Year ???!!!
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simpson21
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Hi again guys, good to see so much interest!!!
just to reiterate what Ben said earlier: As a researcher I know there are many different definitions of expert... whatever your own definition or belief is, is not the main issue. Some of the top researchers in the world will sit and argue similar points that are being made in this forum. The point is, this is the goal that has been set. The main issue is: to be top250 in England you have to be a good player. Many of the players around that level have been playing many years, probably decades to achieve that level. To achieve that level of performance after one year, while still having a day job, would be very impressive... something many of you believe is unachievable. Therefore, achieving this can just show how streamlined, effective training can speed up the process of learning and development compared to typical training methods in England and elsewhere... perhaps aiding improvement from others... and if we don't achieve this, hey, we gave it a shot, had a lot of fun doing it hopefully, and maybe showed people who don't play just how difficult it is to reach a good level in the sport... win-win. |
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clannewton
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nice outlook on your challenge. probably better to aim high and underachieve than to aim low and overachieve. a heartfelt good luck!
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Imago
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You better ship him to China. I am still wondering, what would be your deconstruction points? And more importantly, the nodal points of noematic synthesis and levels of transcendental-technological constitution? |
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Yeah...what Imago said! What did you say?
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suds79
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I find this challenge intriguing for sure.
Impossible? I don't know. I guess few things are impossible so I'll put the chances at 1%. I just don't see how it's possible to reach 2000 in a year. There are more elements to becoming a very good player than just practice IMO. What makes ZJK so great? Is it because he has practiced more than Ma Long? No. He's known for being clutch and big in the big moments. That's stuff that is hard to teach. I don't think with continued practice, natural progression is to simply keep going up & up. Sometimes players plateau. Perhaps it's physical limitations or perhaps it's more mental or drive. There could be a variety of reasons. The best player at our club (here in the states) is a 2100 level player. He's been playing I believe since he was 8 or so. I know for a fact he went to Europe to train as a kid. He's been playing his whole life. To suggest that someone could come even within a 100 points from him is simply crazy. The game is simply so different in style of play (that you have to learn how to beat) from 1200 to 1500. From 1500 to 1800 and on up I'm sure. It's almost like a completely different sport IMO. How will Sam train? Will he be training to play your typical off the table loop/attack game? The game he'll need to be at that 2000 level of play? That's probably the safest bet right? What's going to happen at 1400 when he plays for the first time a player who hits with little to no spin. What if that person plays long pips? It'll will drive him nuts. Guarantee. Having said all that, I'm excited to see how the year progresses for Sam. Anybody know how many tournaments he'll be playing in this year? Have to test out the results right?
Edited by suds79 - 02/18/2014 at 11:29am |
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sandiway
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An hour a day for 365 days would be about $16,500 worth of training at a typical US coaching fee of $45/hour. And if you go with Sam to a tournament or 5, that's more coaching time. So basically, $20,000 - which I assume you're giving for free.
Then it's interesting to note that $20,000 does not buy someone a 2400 rating. Sandiway
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mhnh007
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Come to think of it, with that amount of coaching (300+ coaching hours), it would be a time well spent if it spread over a period of say 3 years. I think Sam would benefit a lot more if he can get 3hrs/week for 3 years, breaking 2000 level would be within reach then. |
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jt99sf
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I'd get burned out if I played Table Tennis everyday for a year. But that's just me.
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LUCKYLOOP
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I say he gets to at least 1800, anything higher is a plus !
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DDreamer
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I have coached an overweight (10kg) 50 year old to get to from scratchy beginner to 1800 standard in a bit over a year. He was keen and focused and played 3-4 sessions a week (only one coaching session pw tho) as well as some shadow play at home. For a younger fitter player 2000 in a year is quite doable, especially if he is allowed to put in extra hours of play outside of the coaching sessions.
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I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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APW46
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I think that 250 rank in England is considerably higher in standard than US 2000 rating though.
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The Older I get, The better I was.
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tom
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is there a difference between a Cdn 2000 and a US one?
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suds79
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I think that's just about anybody. While this experiment is fun to talk about, I'll be shocked if at some point Sam doesn't say "forget this, I need a break" and either quits or takes some time off in a couple months.
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tom
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I would take this offer if I don't have to worry about my better half. After all let's say you play 3-4 years with coaching once a week to get to 2000 - it isn't nearly as efficient. I assume if you missed a day of coaching in this program, it could be made up within the week. So 6 days of training will be quite efficient and doable vs 3-4 years of 3 to 4 days.
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DDreamer
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Yes of course. I was actually writing in response to to suds' comment above ("I just don't see how it's possible to reach 2000 in a year").
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I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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mhnh007
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One hour coaching per week, and say 10 hour of playing\training per week, going from scratch to 1800 in a year is awesome, specially the guy is 50 yrs old. I have to ask all the coaches I know to see if they have this kind of success. Congrats.
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DDreamer
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Thanks. The credit should really go to the pupil though. I am very picky on technique and, as a former golfer, he responded to this well and really tried to do things correctly from the start.
Edited by DDreamer - 02/18/2014 at 9:39pm |
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I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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APW46
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Sorry, I didn't read back. I base my comparison mainly around playing Baal many times over a weekend, he is a solid 200 to 300 standard ranking in England, and his USATT rating is 2200+ if I remember rightly. It would be IMO virtually impossible to get to his standard in one year, although it may well be possible to get a player to look the part technically, learning how to win against players that standard takes considerably longer. I have a pupil who can drill fantastically well and would technically appear 2200 easily, however his true rating would be around 2000.
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The Older I get, The better I was.
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kenneyy88
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2000 in a year is definitely possible but you'd have to have a very "talented", fast learning individual.
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Olio
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I play in the UK and generally beat any player in the leagues I play league that is ranked beyond 300. I've won many competitive games against players rated from 80 to 200, some quite easily.
I do not have a ranking myself, as I do not go to tournaments and local leagues are not ranking events. I also coach and have seen the kids in our club going from about ranking 500 to closer to 300 / 200 (enough to force me to bring my A game against them). And that's taken a year or two of a 14 year old who practices nearly everyday, with various coaches, and plays British league, tournaments, etc. While I appreciate the work Ben is trying to do, and the huge benefits for him, Sam and all the other players / coaches who are following this experiment, he clearly has his work cut out. This is a follow up to his "late bloomers" quest. I believe there are lots to learn and discuss about the "expert in a year" aim and method, and that is the main outcome. Discuss it, improve it, grow as a coach. I certainly have used more shadow play with my own students since I saw the effect on Sam. And for that, I can already say "Thank you Ben".
Edited by Olio - 02/19/2014 at 11:19am |
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assiduous
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I am very disapointed in my own progress. I thought I'd be at least solid 1900 by now but I am not. And I see all these people in poor physical condition and frankly not too bright intellectually, no proper technique, weird style, and they still manage to hover over 2000. I have some excuses.. i can't practice regularly because of my work, my knee pain is on and off, I am 6 foot 195 lbs which looks ok in the corporate office but frankly for TT agility is a bit much and I see where I can drop 10 pounds easily. But I have beautiful shots in warmups and drill and people tell me I look higher than 2000, but in match I still make tons of unforced errors. This year i'm gona work on my defense, serve receive, surviving uncomfortable situations, and just becoming more stable in general, make everybody work for the point, no easy points any more. I have to hit 1900 usatt this year
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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sandiway
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Yes, I think this is certainly possible. At least, I've heard coaches in the USA claim they've taken a basement player to a rating of 2000 in a year. How basement might be a debatable point. Sandiway
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Baal
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Some people assume that because a player can get from 1200-1800 in 2 years, that getting from 1800 to 2000 in another year should naturally follow, but my sense is that is not really a linear scale. The higher you go, the more training it takes and the more easily someone can get derailed if they get hurt or if work gets busy or any number of things. It is easier for kids in the right environment. Some people get derailed by not knowing how to get better, and for them the right coach can make the difference. It will be interesting to see how this works.
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