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Ovtcharov: "I think table tennis will change with the new ball. There is less rotation so the ralleys may become more attracktve! It will be exciting to find out how table tennis develops..!"

He cannot be serious here.. I strongly suspect that he just thinks that lesser spin will better suit his personal play-style and make him stronger..

Btw. if they want to make the sport "more attractive" they should mark the ball with some distinctive stripes or something, so the spin would be visible to spectators and they could actually see and appreciate whats going on here - this would also reduce effectiveness of serves, so you can have your "more rallies" as well this way. But that would require that they actually make use of these modern camera devices (and possibly spend some hard earned money for qualified operators) instead of their default bird eye stationary view (where I myself after 20 years of pingpong have problems of recognizing some nuances), so they chose to just kill the sport instead. 

 

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Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

Btw. if they want to make the sport "more attractive" they should mark the ball with some distinctive stripes or something, so the spin would be visible to spectators and they could actually see and appreciate whats going on here - this would also reduce effectiveness of serves, so you can have your "more rallies" as well this way. But that would require that they actually make use of these modern camera devices (and possibly spend some hard earned money for qualified operators) instead of their default bird eye stationary view (where I myself after 20 years of pingpong have problems of recognizing some nuances), so they chose to just kill the sport instead. 


I think that's an excellent idea!Clap

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Just like back in the Old ABA Basketball days.
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

Btw. if they want to make the sport "more attractive" they should mark the ball with some distinctive stripes or something, so the spin would be visible to spectators and they could actually see and appreciate whats going on here - this would also reduce effectiveness of serves, so you can have your "more rallies" as well this way. But that would require that they actually make use of these modern camera devices (and possibly spend some hard earned money for qualified operators) instead of their default bird eye stationary view (where I myself after 20 years of pingpong have problems of recognizing some nuances), so they chose to just kill the sport instead. 


I think that's an excellent idea!Clap


The spin will be visible to the players too. Is that what you want?
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Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

Ovtcharov: "I think table tennis will change with the new ball. There is less rotation so the ralleys may become more attracktve! It will be exciting to find out how table tennis develops..!"

He cannot be serious here.. I strongly suspect that he just thinks that lesser spin will better suit his personal play-style and make him stronger..



he is a big guy, he is happy that most points will now be decided at mid distance and by the bh loop. Kreanga style.

I also predict Jean Michel Saive will become world #1 at 60 years :)
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Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

Ovtcharov: "I think table tennis will change with the new ball. There is less rotation so the ralleys may become more attracktve! It will be exciting to find out how table tennis develops..!"

He cannot be serious here.. I strongly suspect that he just thinks that lesser spin will better suit his personal play-style and make him stronger..



Maybe he got some Adam S./ITTF $ for that comment?

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Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

Btw. if they want to make the sport "more attractive" they should mark the ball with some distinctive stripes or something, so the spin would be visible to spectators

from that distance?

changing topic, I think the tv should show matches from the side...
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The spin will be visible to the players too. Is that what you want?

I think that deception is great in poker, but i wouldn't complain if TT became more a sport of reflexes and speed instead of cunning and power (with slowed down equipment and bigger ball requiring more physical effort for same result). 

The latter reminds me that ITTF seems to secretly envy the success of big tennis and with the way they make TV transmissions and change rules they want to make them more alike - maybe just get rid of this stupid and non-photogenic "table" part altogether and make us play on just a bit smaller then regular indoor courts? (no, this proposition isn't serious Tongue)



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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

Btw. if they want to make the sport "more attractive" they should mark the ball with some distinctive stripes or something, so the spin would be visible to spectators and they could actually see and appreciate whats going on here - this would also reduce effectiveness of serves, so you can have your "more rallies" as well this way. But that would require that they actually make use of these modern camera devices (and possibly spend some hard earned money for qualified operators) instead of their default bird eye stationary view (where I myself after 20 years of pingpong have problems of recognizing some nuances), so they chose to just kill the sport instead. 


I think that's an excellent idea!Clap


The spin will be visible to the players too. Is that what you want?

With today's tech, I wouldn't think it would be too hard to design something that would show up on video, but not be visible to the players.
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The new ball is fine
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VARYING BALLS, VARYING JOYS...

No two PBs play alike.
There is a dozen of different Thermoplastic materials to form balls with different feeling and ballistics..

I have got but scarce pleasure with Palio, for the stif, stony feeling. So is XSF.

Hopefully Nittaku is just the thing to give me really mild-soft feeling and good ball control, which I desire that much.

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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

VARYING BALLS, VARYING JOYS...

No two PBs play alike.
There is a dozen of different Thermoplastic materials to form balls with different feeling and ballistics..

I have got but scarce pleasure with Palio, for the stif, stony feeling. So is XSF.

Hopefully Nittaku is just the thing to give me really mild-soft feeling and good ball control, which I desire that much.

Come in, my darling, I am all ready...


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Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

With today's tech, I wouldn't think it would be too hard to design something that would show up on video, but not be visible to the players.

Even better, I agree! Thumbs Up
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Do you guys think we will be able to train with cellulite balls and only use poly balls for matches...?

If not there's going to be a lot of replacing cellulite with poly in training buckets, bags and robots. Wow!

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Originally posted by CraneStyle CraneStyle wrote:

Do you guys think we will be able to train with cellulite balls... 

Cellulite balls...now there's an unpleasant image! LOL
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Cellulite wrinkles are also.

If the new balls break every 15 minutes, you have to be a millioner to play TT.
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Originally posted by Fidelio Fidelio wrote:

Originally posted by CraneStyle CraneStyle wrote:

Do you guys think we will be able to train with cellulite balls... 


Cellulite balls...now there's an unpleasant image! LOL


I've got to agree...

Where's the proof reader when you need them?

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Can any of the Chinese speaking members please let me/us know if anything new and interesting about the upcoming poly-balls is revealed in this video, please.... pretty please? Big smile


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XUSHAOFA has now captured many marketplaces all over Europa.
You can get the XSF 40+ ITTF APPROVED from germany, spain, france, russia, poland
2 dozens =20 Euro.

User's feedback is mostly very favourable. The ball durability and tangibility proved to be MOST pleasant above all the earlier expectation.

Shown below is XSF 6 pcs pack *** designed for distributing all over europian market, Excellent quality ball.   

https://m.facebook.com/xsfxushaofa/albums/1435948623330314/?refid=13
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Originally posted by Pondus Pondus wrote:

Can any of the Chinese speaking members please let me/us know if anything new and interesting about the upcoming poly-balls is revealed in this video, please.... pretty please? Big smile



Not much. Mostly rehash. The first part discusses the disadvantages of the celluloid ball in manufacturing, storage and transportation. The second part takes us to the national training center for some feedback of the cellulose diacetate ball. Yan Sen says the spin and speed take a hit due to the larger size and new material. The trajectory is less erratic as well. The first batch they got was prone to breaking and that the new batch is much better. He then commented that Wu Wang whose game centers around spinny chops may get more affected than others. Overall, the new ball requires better physical conditioning. Those who are explosive will have a better time. Some in the second string team say that turns into an advantage to them. Liu Fengde, on the other hand, says that even though the new ball slows down more in the air, the effect is minimal on the offensive style, except maybe some strengthening in the form, stroke size, and physical strength is needed to adapt.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by Pondus Pondus wrote:

Can any of the Chinese speaking members please let me/us know if anything new and interesting about the upcoming poly-balls is revealed in this video, please.... pretty please? Big smile



Not much. Mostly rehash. The first part discusses the disadvantages of the celluloid ball in manufacturing, storage and transportation. The second part takes us to the national training center for some feedback of the cellulose diacetate ball. Yan Sen says the spin and speed take a hit due to the larger size and new material. The trajectory is less erratic as well. The first batch they got was prone to breaking and that the new batch is much better. He then commented that Wu Wang whose game centers around spinny chops may get more affected than others. Overall, the new ball requires better physical conditioning. Those who are explosive will have a better time. Some in the second string team say that turns into an advantage to them. Liu Fengde, on the other hand, says that even though the new ball slows down more in the air, the effect is minimal on the offensive style, except maybe some strengthening in the form, stroke size, and physical strength is needed to adapt.

As always, thanks for the helpfulness and great info, Zeio. Thumbs Up

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So, I will use more than usual my Barna /ox/1.5mm chop rubber in the future! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

XUSHAOFA has now captured many marketplaces all over Europa.
You can get the XSF 40+ ITTF APPROVED from germany, spain, france, russia, poland
2 dozens =20 Euro.

User's feedback is mostly very favourable. The ball durability and tangibility proved to be MOST pleasant above all the earlier expectation.

Shown below is XSF 6 pcs pack *** designed for distributing all over europian market, Excellent quality ball.   

https://m.facebook.com/xsfxushaofa/albums/1435948623330314/?refid=13

I don't know where you got that from, but I've heard the complete opposite. Most people much prefer the seamed balls as they are much closer to the celluloid balls. The only reason people have been buying the XUSHAOFA balls is because they were the first ones available. There appears to be a great push for the seamed balls, and that's the way DHS and DF (the major manufacturers) are going.

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I have XSF at my hand. I like it.

The DHS seamed balls are now reported to be unduly cracky because of the unstable seam conjunction.
   Still, everyone is free to make his own choice, and to use the ball he think the best.
I do not like cracky ball, just money waster.
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I think it s the opposite.

See the report from Athletes Commission at Tokyo WTTC

4. Plastic Balls with Seam Test
Players gave mostly positive comments; still, the difference between plastic balls with seam
and without seam is huge. It is important to make sure that ITTF tournaments are played
only with a top quality balls, and to decide in advance which balls (with or without seam) will
be used in ITTF tournaments. So far, the balls with seam have received much better
reviews than the balls without seam - better quality, more similar to the celluloid balls.

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