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Clarence247
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Posted: 04/19/2014 at 8:54pm |
OK so here goes an interesting topic I was discussing with a few friends down at the gym.
Many players speak of feel when speaking about rubbers - but very similarly to control, feel is very subjective! Some players say softer rubbers give more feel and more control due to dwell time. Others say that softer rubbers have a muted feel - dulling the impact of the ball, and prefer hard rubbers for more directional and short game control. They also argue that bounciness reduces accurate feel for the ball. Many good players who like hard rubbers will often chose tacky rubbers to give dwell time - therefore getting the dwell time used for spin variations from the topsheet and not really from the sponge. So which rubbers do you feel the ball more with? Soft or Hard? or somewhere in between? Which rubbers that you've used have given you the best feel? As a tool - here is a rubber hardness comparison chart by haggisv - a tool I find extremely useful! http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1808 |
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JacekGM
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In fact, haggisv posted the table of sponge hardness here:
http://tabletennis-reviews.com/reference/sponge-hardness-table/ Thank You! Yes, it is a very useful source. Of course, an inverted rubber sheet consists of the sponge and the rubber, and both are important to the overall feel. |
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IanMcg
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The density of the sponge, the size of the pores, the elasticity of the rubber and a lot of other factors all make the "feel" of the rubber. Pip structure has a very big impact on the playing characteristics.
Take a look at this image: This is a photo of all the TENERGY rubbers, starting at the top 05, 25, 64, 80. T05 has small space between the pips. Pip length and width appears equal with T64. T25 has very fat, short pimples. T64 has the most space between the pips, which make it play differently than T05. T80 has more space between the pips than T05 but less than T64. The pips on T80 also appear to be slightly bigger than T05. And assuming each regular TENERGY uses the same topsheet material and sponge, the pip structure makes a radical difference on playing characteristics. Similar concept with many other rubbers.
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Clarence247
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Ok guys interesting posts - however, rather than the fact that there are several factors which have an impact on feel - what I intended is to have a more general discussion about:
What feel do you prefer? the feel you get with hard or with soft rubbers? Or somewhere in the middle? which specific rubbers did you get good feel with? which rubbers could you not feel at all or disliked the feel of? |
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i prefer hard and medium hard rubbers
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Nice, do you have a picture of the FX too? |
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Yes, it is a wonder of human nature and scientifical fact that human's bodily senses may be somewhat deseptive, and it may be a great pleasure in some circumstanses.
Some EXAMPLES: Speaking of the game of pingpang: -- The harder balls will always feel more weighty. Speaking of the indoor air humidity --each 5% increment in the humidity would feel as if air temperature dropping by 1*, on Celsius scale. This is why wet bamboo mate is a good help in hot, dry weather. |
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