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kolevtt
Platinum Member Joined: 06/13/2011 Location: European Union Status: Offline Points: 2578 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 5:35pm | |||
I am nobody's personal layer, but I think this topic is going wrong. May be the mods must do something here....
And I hope everything will finish with happy end. |
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 5:41pm | |||
At the end of the day you bailed out because you thought the blades were damaged or even lost, i was happy to get the package in what ever shape.
You got someone to ask me about the blades i did not have, because you thought i had them? Checking my email i never asked him to buy the blade, i actually asked if he will like to trade. this is getting very tiresome, so am going to leave it for now. Michael you have my email if you want to talk do so, this is getting no where
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 5:56pm | |||
Here is your message and reply
Hello Mate thanks for letting me know, sorry you are not happy, only one dent i could see and are in the pictures and the pictures are still there. please try and enjoy the blade thanks -- Previous Private Message -- Sent by : zerokirk Sent : 04/03/2014 at 4:08pm Got it. It is faster than I think. However, there are dents. One is pretty bad for there is a clear delamination there. Not quite happy with that. |
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 6:05pm | |||
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 6:15pm | |||
"I will not give other's people names without their agreement but both are well known among the little collector's world. They are welcome to explain what happened .
The summary : they agreed on trades with member caidtt and sent their package with tracking number but caidtt didn't send them his package at this moment. He waited till receiving the package and then replaced "his blade" with a less valuable one and sent it. Of course, the other person was shocked when he opened his package no to find the blade on which the trade had been agreed. Member caidtt replied him the blade he received, had been strongly modified and has less value which doesn't seem to be correct since caidtt had received lots of pics of the blade from every angle." Now Michael you are quoting someone else without knowing the facts yet again, the value of the modified blade was £273, mine was £290, the collectors valuation. yet again you are wrong. It was made very clear what was traded for what in this instance these 2 blades in question. i did not like what i was sent due to the modification, so i sent it back. if you want accuse me get your story right Edited by caidtt - 04/23/2014 at 6:21pm |
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liulin04
Premier Member Joined: 10/20/2003 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 6344 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 6:41pm | |||
Instead of getting even more uglier, how about from now on, each party can send their blade to one of the moderators. Until items from both parties are received by the mods, the mods will then ship the exchanged blades to its intended owner. Provided that both parties pay the Mod for shipping cost of course. That way, there will not be anymore he said she said, instead, the mod will carefully examine every facet of the blade, and provide detailed descriptions/pictures to its intended owner.
Would this help? It sounds like a lot of trouble for sure. |
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jt99sf
Premier Member Joined: 04/29/2005 Location: San Francisco Status: Offline Points: 4949 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 7:05pm | |||
Cancel the transaction and return all monies and properties to their original owners.
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Clarence247
Silver Member Joined: 02/11/2014 Location: Malta Status: Offline Points: 557 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 8:22pm | |||
Anyone having troubles like this within EUrope should go to:
http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/ecc/index_en.htm if there is cross-border shopping involved. If both buyer and seller are from the same country then the national authority will help and will be even more effective. the fact that the sale was advertised with insurance included and this was not honoured is already a breach of contract with entitles you to full settlement AND aggravation costs! |
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E.ZegnaFan
Silver Member Joined: 11/15/2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 817 |
Posted: 04/23/2014 at 9:54pm | |||
When dealing with any person, ask for the forum/ebay feedback etc... might help you to decide. Personally, I'll not dealing with any ebay member with less than 99.6% or with many listing/transactions canceled.
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stiltt
Assistant Admin Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 1020 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 12:15am | |||
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kakapo
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2013 Location: Mordor Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 2:05am | |||
First of all, -I'm not your lawyer so, you are able to defend yourself !!! "You gave me the "option"...it makes me laugh You are in the wrong position, don't try to invert the roles. I can see lots of people were not very happy when dealing with you and I'm not really astonished about this. -you did never give me those informations I needed and I asked you several times, so it is normal my conviction you've had something to hide has grown up -I "obliged" you to take insurance for the replacing package because you were feeling I'began to become really nervous. You explain this as it would have been exceptional but it has to be usual since you wrote in every of your for sale thread that the price includes insurance !!! Also, when you agree on a trade with someone, at least, you should send the blade on which the deal had been done instead of waiting the package from the other arrived and then sending out another blade, complaining the blade from the other was not perfect, especially if you had received previously 21 pics from close range of this blade. For me, you are not reliable
Edited by kakapo - 04/24/2014 at 2:40am |
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channyboi
Super Member Joined: 07/26/2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 248 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 3:10am | |||
Majority rules. Kakapo wins. So what happens now?
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 3:18am | |||
Go back and ask you informant, I sent him his blade back, not another blade, even the handle looked unnatural. As far as waiting for the blade, I simply did what he has done to me previously, I never complained about it. I have traded with quite a few and bought from others and I have sent items before they sent theirs. You guys have a funny mindset, you set prices between each other and try and rip others off by coming up with excuses about how a blade is not so good, yet you know the origin of the blade. you collectors have a signature and i can tell if a particular blade came from a German or Swedish collector. it is in your interest to get it back at the lowest price possible and then sell it on at eye watering prices, yet when a topic starts about the value of a blade they try their best at not telling what the real cost is.
Anyone remember a Stellan Bengtsson EC blade been sold for £299 and members claiming it was not worth the price, and a particular collector adding their weight to it saying it was 200 Euros at best. Well i had private email discussion with said collectors and it transpires the blade cost more and was told the seller had paid more for it. Get off your high horse, i make it my business not to be ripped off Edited by caidtt - 04/24/2014 at 3:36am |
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Thomasson
Gold Member Joined: 03/30/2010 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1008 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 3:26am | |||
If someone from Slovakia could help me get a transfer done I would be happy, I would use the 3rth party method anytime I can!
I want to buy a Mizutani but the seller only wants money via IBAN transfer and his English is a bit limited. So I have no guarantees the blade will actually be send :( However I took the plunge and decided to trust him. He also mentioned another forum members name I could ask. I did not do that though, since I like to trust people on their word. Edited by Thomasson - 04/24/2014 at 3:40am |
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 3:43am | |||
you are in the wrong place mate, whats your point?
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kakapo
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2013 Location: Mordor Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 4:08am | |||
A last thing : why didn't you offer me to retrade both blades for those you eventually sent me as replacement ? You knew the Ehrlich and the evo didn't interest me as I wrote it to you several times !!!
You never did it and you offered me to buy them again and you pretended to have a cash offer only because you thought I would perhaps pay more to get it. That's my opinion. You thought I probably couldn't resist and sent you another 300£ for the dynapower or perhaps another 600£ for both blades There is an african proverb which says :"you can never walk 2 times on a lion's tail". you have to know it. You wrote the dynapower was sold which is not true...perhaps another bad deal ?????? Now,You can keep on trying to justify your action but My opinion is clear about you. Edited by kakapo - 04/24/2014 at 4:10am |
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 4:26am | |||
there goes an intelligent conclusion
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 4:41am | |||
you forgot this Thanks for this update. We know it has not been lost which is a good news. But between us, 4 more weeks is very long and I'm a little bit fed up with this never ending story. So, I thing I will accept your offer to send me the Ehrlich and the superanatomical instead of the Bengtsson S and the Lindh Dynapower. and this "I've eventually decided to accept your friendly offer. You will get again the Bengtsson S and the Dynapower in a few weeks and I'm sure you will be able to sell these nice blades. Thanks. Michael. I updated you immediately i got them back, in fact within 5 mins of the arrival, you termed them as devilish blades(have you forgotten) you never asked to have those blades back Also i think it is a bit rich for a Belgian to be quoting African proverbs, you guys left a great legacy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx2Sj1fhSso |
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kakapo
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2013 Location: Mordor Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 4:56am | |||
At that time, I was already suspicious about you but had no real proof and was not sure to think about it . I only wanted to get something to end it because I didn't know what to think about you. I already thought you kept the blades and never sent them. Your attitude changed because you were feeling bad when I mentioned the police. If I had replied you what I was thinking, I would surely have get nothing back from you. Also, David coperfield made a kind of miracle because only 3 days later, The dynapower and the Bengtsson suddenly came back !!!! What a coincidence. It should have been natural from you to offer me a retrade but you never did it because all that interests you is cash. If I had pay with normal paypal, I would surely have obliged you to give my money back but I paid with bank transfer. I can also published all the mails you sent me when you explain you didn't have the post receipt (how was it possible not having kept at least a copy ? or you never wanted to give me the references on the post letters but I won't do it because you have to know something. : "IT is illegal to post original mail from other people on open forum's"
Edited by kakapo - 04/24/2014 at 5:19am |
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 5:18am | |||
All i keep getting is you thought this and you thought that, my attitude did not change, i warned you about giving my details out. i had everything under control, chased the right office and spoke to the right people at Royal Mail, but they have a process that needs to be followed. we never spoke about money, the aim was to get the blades back, you jumped ship and took what you could which was in excess of the £600 anyway, but i needed to make you happy. you kept quiet for weeks and suddenly you and you mates get together to tarnish my reputation, and writing false statements. some of the guys who have added their 2 cents worth, they will be amazed at what these collector think about them and their "cheap blades", that is for another day People are allowed to change their minds, i had a buyer on reflection they changed their mind, it is allowed. if you wanted a trade back all you had to do was ask!!!! |
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Thomasson
Gold Member Joined: 03/30/2010 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1008 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 5:22am | |||
Im sorry, I thought someone started to talk about 3th party deals, which is a good way of dealing in my eyes. Something that still can be done between you and kakapo since you clearly broke his trust. So my point is, if you are honest, you could have offered him this solution. I think Kakapo would even pay for his shipping if you would do the same for your side. My point is: Trust is a valuable thing, something you shouldn't break. |
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kakapo
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2013 Location: Mordor Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 5:32am | |||
As it is written earlier, I decided to remain silent because I was only suspicious about you but some mails arrived from people I trust 100% and on the other hand, I read your posts about Dean's Alser and the fake viscaria. That was really too much for me !!!
A wolf amongst the lambs !!!
Our swedish friend, all collectors know mailed me to explain what happened with him, with the johansson super anatomical blade and then, my opinion was 100 % made about you. You have lost all your credit and I gave you lots of credit despite the fact you didn't take insurance on the package and want to give me the references and informations needed to find the package back, what made me think you had something to hide. If our Swedish friend wants to let know his opinion about you, he can do it. He doesn't like to post on forums but I'm sure he can do an exception in that case. Edited by kakapo - 04/24/2014 at 5:55am |
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Timo1978
Silver Member Joined: 05/20/2013 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 833 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 5:51am | |||
Also i think it is a bit rich for a Belgian to be quoting African proverbs, you guys left a great legacy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx2Sj1fhSso Caidtt, argueing is the one thing but it is not smart to refer to such history cases like you did here. Edited by Timo1978 - 04/24/2014 at 5:52am |
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kakapo
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2013 Location: Mordor Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 5:59am | |||
You are right Timo. I will never accuse all people from Nigeria to be terrorists or something like that. Of course, you can take a tiger instead of the lion in my proverb and that will become an Indian proverb :))
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 6:11am | |||
you are deluded, look at Dean's post i was actually defending his blade. is it wrong to ask about a fake Viscaria, what is you problem. He probably email you to tell you the deal had fallen through(just speculating) and you will not be getting the blade after all Trust is two ways, i was breaking my back for you and you took the other blades and left me too it, now you are trying to portray the hard done guy |
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 6:12am | |||
you guys have really got each others backs, it is nice to see
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kakapo
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2013 Location: Mordor Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 6:20am | |||
that's true because we trust in each other but that word you don't know....
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kakapo
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2013 Location: Mordor Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 6:25am | |||
I s've seen you were defending Dean, what could have been nice from an honest guy but I didn't want the others see you as a Saint because you are really not one Saint. Please, stop writing the word "trust".
Edited by kakapo - 04/24/2014 at 6:29am |
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caidtt
Super Member Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 6:33am | |||
Can't stand people who panic, they are useless in the real world. |
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kakapo
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2013 Location: Mordor Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
Posted: 04/24/2014 at 6:39am | |||
I can't stand non honest people, their place is not on this forum and also, I've forgotten one thing you wrote on the dynapower thread :"you guys are playing a game and am in it to win it!!! " That sentence simply explains who you are. Please, keep on burying your grave!!!
Edited by kakapo - 04/24/2014 at 6:57am |
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