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at zheyi: yes this one is fake, 100000% sure.

at avollo:
looks interesting! can you take a bigger picture of the packages backside and especially of the white serial code on the package?? if we see this white aerial code with the stripes i can tell you for sure.

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Had my 3rd session with the 'fake' h3. Its playing very nice. tackiness remain strong and sponge is reactive. Its indeed a best 'fake' rubber i've used before. I used a tg3 'fake' before and seller did tell me before hand. no where near.

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Originally posted by zheyi zheyi wrote:

Had my 3rd session with the 'fake' h3. Its playing very nice. tackiness remain strong and sponge is reactive. Its indeed a best 'fake' rubber i've used before. I used a tg3 'fake' before and seller did tell me before hand. no where near.

 
The sponge and all look genuine to me. Fake is nowhere near that. Where and how much you bought it for? Any close up pic of the front prints?


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Photo is a bit small but looks fine.
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no, DHS doesnt produce rubbers like: "this one looks genuine to me." 
DHS is producing rubbers with a system behind, and in the system of the NEO rubbers there are no DHS stamp symbols, only the numbers which stand for the production date.

Right now no provincial blue sponge rubbers are available! ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE, except you get them from a provincial player personal.

I posted a link of a original provincial rubber the sites before, just check it out and compare it to your rubbers, youll see the differences.

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The new blue package with yellow characters one is non-Neo market version which has the big DHS stamp on the sponge. Neo does not. I see all reputable stores in taobao shows pictures exactly like that. There is no reason to believe all of them are fake because of the stamp.
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Unfortunely, my friend has grabbed it yesterday... And i can't give you closer images
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Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

The new blue package with yellow characters one is non-Neo market version which has the big DHS stamp on the sponge. Neo does not. I see all reputable stores in taobao shows pictures exactly like that. There is no reason to believe all of them are fake because of the stamp.

http://www.pingpongboard.com/images/awb_image1932554184321.jpg

Here the original H3NP blue sponge. As long as your rubber doesnt look like this one its simply fake. And I never saw this rubber on the market, so I say you cant buy this rubber right now. 

prott.cc has some real H3NN blue sponge right now, this product is 100& legit.

http://www.prott.cc/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=NEOGREENBLUE


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Does the fake play better than the genuine?
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Originally posted by Butt Stallion Butt Stallion wrote:

Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

The new blue package with yellow characters one is non-Neo market version which has the big DHS stamp on the sponge. Neo does not. I see all reputable stores in taobao shows pictures exactly like that. There is no reason to believe all of them are fake because of the stamp.

http://www.pingpongboard.com/images/awb_image1932554184321.jpg

Here the original H3NP blue sponge. As long as your rubber doesnt look like this one its simply fake. And I never saw this rubber on the market, so I say you cant buy this rubber right now. 

prott.cc has some real H3NN blue sponge right now, this product is 100& legit.

http://www.prott.cc/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=NEOGREENBLUE


 
 
Those pics are NEO. The one with DHS stamp is non-Neo. They can both be legit.
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yes, the one with the stamp is Non Neo. Thats why we actually needed more pics to decide, but unfortuanetly Avallo didnt has more pictures.

But when it comes to the NEO series, if the rubber doesnt look like the one Ive posted, its fake!

With the Non Neo provincial rubbers im not 100% sure how to identify the REAL ones, with the National its very easy but the provincial have the inch number and the stamp, and afaik the stamp is not even of the fake stuff. Thats why we need better pictures. 
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for everybody how a real blue sponge looks like in the package:

http://www.buychina.com/items/attractive-ping-pong-authentic-dhs-dhs-neo-nigeria-proud-country-sets-york-3-tg3-blue-sponge-rubber-anti-pouches-supvtrqknko

You see very clearly that there is no "blue circle sticker" which stands for blue sponge. Every product with that sticker is simply fake. Here is the real one, above the one from prott.cc is genuine too.
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Hey Butt,

I'm afraid you are partially wrong. The TG3 national blue sponge is legit, but for Hurricane 3 blue sponge, the legit one HAS the small circle saying "blue sponge".  
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NO. Why would DHS do this? Is there any reason for this? DHS has a system behind their rubbers and blades and everything, they dont use some stickers for this rubbers and some stickers for that ones!
Does Butterfly do this or Xiom or anybody else? Before talking about DHS people has to forget all the conspiracy and have to really look at the facts. The white/red sticker only say provincial or national, the rest are no stickers for blue sponge or anything like this. You can see a real blue sponge national here:

http://www.prott.cc/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=NEOGREENBLUE

and a REAL provincial H3N here:

http://www.pingpongboard.com/images/awb_image1932554184321.jpg

NO STICKERS for blue sponge. I cant believe that people believe DHS are making stickers for H3 Neo but not for TG3 Neo, no company in the world works like this.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote qualizon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/21/2014 at 11:45am
You sound very much like Timo Hu (if you know what I'm talking about).

The buychina link you posted, is actually from a store that is very reputable in Taobao (China), and people buy blue sponge with no doubt from this store.

And the provincial H3 blue sponge it sells has the little sticker:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w1017-3638378733.81.xtPt3j&id=38129723129&

while the TG3 national blue sponge doesn't:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w1017-3638378733.53.yUrffb&id=38461374812&

I can't say how DHS runs their marketing and packaging as a company, so I'm not going to argue that, because both you and I have no known fact to discuss.

What I can provide, is a known baseline (same reputable store), that sells both the products we are discussing.
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The links you posted are reputable? I can buy real blue sponge from them? :)
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No point arguing over what's genuine or fake based on just a packaging.... Unless the buyer is high level enough to differentiate a genuine and a fake piece of hurricane blue sponge.... 
For all i know, there are different markets for DHS products. The ones u see on ttnpp may not be a fake, it may just be the kind of DHS product that is marketed in Hong Kong.... 

Fake rubber producers are not so stupid to make an extra sticker on the packaging of the rubber to indicate that it is a FAKE, so just that everyone who sees it know it is a fake, like in this case, Timo Hu is implying. They identify fake goods through other means which are imposed on the rubber itself, be it sponge or topsheet print. 

Want to know if its genuine? If you're high level enough to even play a blue sponge, you will know the differences. 






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No, I dont know who you mean...

But heres my argumentation. Please read first, think and comment.

I try to make this very simple, this is a original H3N:
http://shop.chinatt.com/goods-465.html

Then this one is a original H3NP:
http://shop.chinatt.com/goods-466.html

-> You can see, the sponge have additional provincial sign for "provincial".

So now we make a blue sponge out of this rubbers:
http://www.pingpongboard.com/images/awb_image1932554184321.jpg

Wooooooollaaaah!

Now compare the white label of my links to this label of YOUR link right here:
http://gd1.alicdn.com/imgextra/i1/10729083/T2KOc6XAtXXXXXXXXX_!!10729083.jpg

Heres the original label or the provincial orange sponge:
http://shop.chinatt.com/images/upload/image/201405/20140521141919_49800.jpg

Here the label of the original COMMERCIAL sheet:
http://shop.chinatt.com/images/201212/18070232_01.jpg

my products look the same, with the blue sponge it looks different. Why should DHS do this?
I have an answer, FAKE!

Please give me a good reason why DHS would do different writings of the white label, if they got the same with commercial and provincial AND national. So the blue sponges get all different stuff... 
It really doesnt make any sense... Im sorry but this is bullshit.

The other "label" DHS uses is the label of Degree and Thickness which isnt white. This one identifys genuine products too, but its not even that one neither. Im talking about this one:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uNfcGS3MNxo/TrarWwWIHkI/AAAAAAAAAhs/fv0XP9LAKlA/s1600/P1030589.JPG

Now the REAL provincial I posted:
http://www.pingpongboard.com/images/awb_image1932554184321.jpg

That matches too. The only product which doesnt match is the provinical blue sponge with the fake blue circle and white label.

Now, we compare it to National products:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w1017-3638378733.53.yUrffb&id=38461374812&

Commercial H3 with the same sticker/label:
http://shop.chinatt.com/goods-463.html

The only one which doesnt fit in is the H3NP blue sponge with the blue sticker. 
So tell me, what is wrong with my argumentation? If there is anything wrong, im the first person in the world who admit this, but I dont see any mistakes so please help me out here guys.

It is sooooo easy to see!

Best regards ;)



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Well, 
My guess would be that the rubber could be of a different grade being marketed differently from the rest. 
Then again, the only way to know if it is a fake is to play it. 
I have come across the one from ttnpp, which is why i said it is not a fake. 
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Originally posted by dannyreventon dannyreventon wrote:

The links you posted are reputable? I can buy real blue sponge from them? :)
yup, that is right, there are a few store from taobao that are reputable.
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Originally posted by qualizon qualizon wrote:

You sound very much like Timo Hu (if you know what I'm talking about).

The buychina link you posted, is actually from a store that is very reputable in Taobao (China), and people buy blue sponge with no doubt from this store.

And the provincial H3 blue sponge it sells has the little sticker:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w1017-3638378733.81.xtPt3j&id=38129723129&

while the TG3 national blue sponge doesn't:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w1017-3638378733.53.yUrffb&id=38461374812&

I can't say how DHS runs their marketing and packaging as a company, so I'm not going to argue that, because both you and I have no known fact to discuss.

What I can provide, is a known baseline (same reputable store), that sells both the products we are discussing.

I see your point now. I don't know what's the explanation why H3 Provincial Blue Sponge has a different serial label. But like i've said before, the store I listed ARE THE reputable store from China. If they sell the fake blue sponge, then there is absolutely no way you can get a real one from prott.cc or ttnpp.
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I see your point now. I don't know what's the explanation why H3 Provincial Blue Sponge has a different 
serial label. But like i've said before, the store I listed ARE THE reputable store from China. If they sell the fake blue sponge, then there is absolutely no way you can get a real one from prott.cc or ttnpp.

You know its possible to have a table tennis shop and selling genuine AND fake products right?

prott.cc has fake rubbers too, ABSOLUTELY! But he has some REAL GENUINE rubbers and the National Neo H3 is one of them. And makes perfect sense, very limited, looks like all the other products and 160USD per sheet. But biggest argument: Looks like all the other products of DHS!

I mean where do that rubbers come from, the provincial blue sponge rubbers? From provincial players maybe? This rubber has such a huge number in the market, you could ask yourself with what in the world do provincial players play with...

But at the end, I dont want to force somebody to follow my argumentation. Im just triing to help, the blue sponge which are available are simply fakes and I tried to show how to identify them. If people still want to play the stuff because they like it, why not, maybe its good enough for the players... For me a T05 worked better than the fake H3NP blue sponge (yeah I had one too), but my normal H3NP orange sponge is the best of them. 

Last fact, out of the SAME package of the H3NP blue sponge came 2 different looking rubbers. If this convinced nobody, then I dont know what to say anymore Tongue

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of the user zehyi
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/20306/WP_004732.jpg

Just to remember: They bought the SAME product and 2 different rubbers came out... Looks very very genuine dont you think so Sleepy
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Butt, thanks....good attempt to make people think...I'm playing the fake, but it costs me 25 USD, not 75 usd...It looks like best bets are H3 Neo prov orange from ttnpp or TG3 Neo prov orange from tt11.com.
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Originally posted by qualizon qualizon wrote:

I see your point now. I don't know what's the explanation why H3 Provincial Blue Sponge has a different serial label. But like i've said before, the store I listed ARE THE reputable store from China. If they sell the fake blue sponge, then there is absolutely no way you can get a real one from prott.cc or ttnpp.


Neo and Non-Neo H3 Provincial get different set of serial labels.

I just bought a few Nittaku Non-Neo H3 which are made in China by DHS for Japanese market and all come with the same big DHS stamp and serial as Non-Neo H3 Provincial. DHS does make rubbers like that. If you use DHS long enough then you know they are always like that. They don't need to look like National or Neo H3 to be legit.

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Very short periods of time on tt11.com LOL  It's a hunting.
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Originally posted by Butt Stallion Butt Stallion wrote:

Last fact, out of the SAME package of the H3NP blue sponge came 2 different looking rubbers. If this convinced nobody, then I dont know what to say anymore Tongue

from the user joyner1980
http://www.subirimagenes.net/i/140621065142183390.jpg

of the user zehyi
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/20306/WP_004732.jpg

Just to remember: They bought the SAME product and 2 different rubbers came out... Looks very very genuine dont you think so Sleepy
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three provincial players from shandong came to my club recently. all of them use neo orange. i asked one if he's ever used blue sponge hurricane. he said outside of ma long, zjk, etc., no one else would want to use them. they're hard to control and there's so many generic blue sponges on the mkt for manufacturer use, you're likely to get one that they're just trying to make bigger profits. blue sponge is one of the cheapest that can be bought, at less than 5$ a pc while a neo orange's sponge if bought separately is around $13. 

this could really come from anywhere lol

blue sponge darker - $4!
http://www.buychina.com/items/aerospace-darker-darker-blue-v-ping-pong-ball-set-gum-snow-vlon-s-beyond-dhs-hurricane-3-vpvpqqsplli

selling just the white cases for "national"
http://www.buychina.com/items/authentic-original-national-hurricane-3-dhs-blue-sponge-country-mad-mad-mad-three-3-hurricane-three-sets-of-national-anti-plastic-pouches-rypromrnrll

"blue sponge nationals" for $11. these same ones were being sold one bay for $55 so don't think they're not willing to sell you fake stuff at high prices.
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anyone remember TG3 blue sponge? looks remarkably familiar
http://www.buychina.com/items/dhs-blue-sponge-york-provincial-team-for-special-beyond-the-the-blue-sponge-country-mad-province-mad-qtpnurslqqi

blue sponge 999 - $7
http://www.buychina.com/items/high-cost-spider-big-blue-sponge-sets-of-plastic-999-special-for-the-big-blue-sponge-loop-only-black-upqnoskrll

just blue sponge - $2
http://www.buychina.com/items/high-elastic-rubber-sleeve-tennis-macroporous-gel-with-a-cool-blue-hyun-ultralight-single-black-soft-elastic-sponge-appearance-party-essential-sutnqtqnnqk


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